Teacher and student made headlines.

This case involving I believe a 30 something year old female teacher was discovered allegedly to have had a sexual relationship with a 12 year old student.

The student I believe was allowed to live or stay with the teacher for some time.

The teacher had a baby which was noticed by the student's father that resembled him and his son .

This was brought to the attention of the school and is now under investigation.

Many people have commented on this situation calling the 12 year old a victim and getting the teacher pregnant is raping the student.

Many of the commenters are women and I can see why.

What do you think?

Is it rape?

Is he a victim?

Is the teacher just a criminal by technicality of age and nothing more or is she also a molester, abuser, predator?

Could it be possible that the student wasn't coerced into keeping the identity of the baby's father discreet?

When the baby is 6, the baby will have a legal adult father. So the child will still be fairly young to have the biological father around. The circumstances are not so grievous.

I understand people mention about psychological effects. But not every person is the same .

Yeah, but gambling your student's psychological state for sexual pleasure seems pretty bad to me. She could just date someone her own age.

He's 12. Way past the line. The law is there for a reason, so it's not a technicality.

He is old enough to have an erection. He is ready for sex.

That doesn't hold up in court anymore. It died around the same time as the "she was asking for it" defense.

He was even old enough to father a child.

Neither of those defenses work when the accusation is rape.

If she forced him, I guess its bad. However, I doubt that he was forced.  Most 12 year olds are horny.

Plenty of them want cocaine, alcohol, and hookers. If you support freedom, better let them have all of it.

You dont need to give people all freedom. Its not "all freedom" or "no freedom". In fact, taking away all freedom from children would significantly harm children. One can just be realistic about it. Most 12 year olds watch porn and masturbate. Yet you are not banning porn. You even make it easily available to them. I just dont see whats the point of chasing people who have sex. Like, if it wasnt forced and unwanted, why make such a big deal out of it? Its not like boy's life will become better if you sentence woman to life in prison, and woman's life is obviously going to get much worse in prison. I simply fail to believe that the woman did that much harm that she deserves prison. Again, I dont know what happened in this case, but people dont seem to even care if it was forced or wanted.

Plenty of places are banning it for minors. Also sex is a bigger deal than porn. If we're banning pot for minors, banning sex with their teacher seems reasonable.

I knew plenty of males at 12 years , 13 years of age that wanted to get at their teachers.

12-year-olds famously always know what's best for them. That's why we let them do crack and sell naked pictures of themselves.

Whatever you want to call it, it has to do with age and I haven't seen any evidence of rape, abuse or molestation.

The law may conflate all this just because of age.

Making it easily available to minors defeats the point of a ban. Its like saying you want to ban kids from drinking alcohol while leaving alcohol all around so they can drink whenever they want.

Sex is much healthier than pot, thus the comparison is invalid. 50% of kids watch porn before age 13, due to being easily available. 30% of kids have sex before age 15. It doesnt cause any great harm as long as they want it and do it in a safe way. However, the actual main problem in your argument is that it defeats its own purpose, apparently that of "benefiting people". The sex which happened clearly produced life, thus it has benefited life. And as for consent, it is you who is not respecting boy's wishes. You didnt ask the boy if he wants for woman to go to prison or not. You didnt ask him now and you wont ask him in 6 years. You didnt ask him if he wants for this story to go public so everyone talks about him and makes a big deal out of his private life. To put it simply, if your argument is that wishes(consent) are supposed to be respected, then you are not really respecting them. If your argument is that person cant consent, then whatever you do to the person violates their consent, whether its school or vaccination. If you claim you are punishing the woman to benefit the boy, then I dont see how is a boy going to benefit from something he never wanted and will never want. For something to be beneficial, it must be wanted at some point. Most young people who have sex with adults dont want and never want for their partners to go to prison, let alone for society to involve so much in their most private life. Putting woman in prison wont benefit the child who is born, wont benefit the woman, and wont benefit the boy. It benefits no one. The very idea that children cant consent is based on flawed premise that lack of some knowledge negates consent. However, no person knows everything. So even adults cant consent. The very idea is absurd. I dont need to know all about smartphone and all its parts in order to want a smartphone. Pedophiles have very high suicide rates because society abuses them. Imagine being 18 and realizing you are attracted to children. You likely wouldnt tell anyone because you would be afraid people will attack you. Thus, you would have to deal with such issue alone without anyone's help or advice. The problem with society is that it doesnt consider pedophiles as humans, which is why society justifies and celebrates all the abuse of them. They celebrate when some pedophile kills himself. They celebrate when pedophiles are raped in prison. They celebrate other person's pain. In hunt for monsters, you should be careful not to become a monster yourself.

Woah, there is no need to concede to double standards like that.

I'm sorry but you can't compare drugs with sex. Sex is a basic human need while drugs is not at all.

Last year I met an old man that told me very proudly about his sexual encounter with a teacher when he was 13. You should have seen how his eyes were shining when telling me his story. He said that he remembers this moment as though he did it last night and was very thankful to "God" that this happened to him because it was very beautiful.

These things happen more frequently than people think. It reminds me of the movie "the reader". Honestly, I wish I had had sex with a MILF when I was 15 at the very least, even better if I was younger, but I didn't, I had to pay for it in a brothel, it's not the same though.

Yes, that's how the law works.

It's statutory rape, legally

Plenty of people survive without sleeping with their teacher.

Maybe this is true, but why did you have to describe it in the fakest-sounding way possible lol

I tried to say that he was very excited when he told me that story. Who wouldn't? I don't see how it sounds fake. The story is legit and is much common than you think.

Not all the teenagers can experience that, this is true. It's like the lottery, not everyone will win it.

It's like the lottery but with the risk of psychological trauma later. If 12-year-olds are too young for the actual lottery, maybe they're too young to sleep with an adult.

Not sex with their teacher. They can sleep with someone their own age.

When I was a kid, I wanted sex. I started masturbaring around age 7. If some woman let me fuck her back then, sure I would unless if she was ugly.

May I know what this trauma is about? You said it as if it were a rape.

I wish I had been raped, then.

It's statutory rape.

Ok, but that's not a reason to loosen rape laws.

Yeah, that's why the law exists. Because kids are very impressionable.

This sounds like an assumption that your health from sex depends purely on the age of the person you are having sex with. But this is not true. The society which puts pressure on children and indoctrinates them into feeling shame and which tries to convince them that their experience was horrible and that everyone is upset about it is the one which causes harm.

Law bans that too. 30% of sex offenders on the sex offender's list came on the list as children, some as young as 8.

Besides, "they can sleep with someone their own age" does not explain what should happen when they sleep with someone who is not their own age, thus irrelevant.

This is an appeal to law fallacy. If you think law determines what is true and what is right, then that same law 300 years ago said that 12 year olds can consent. So did 12 year olds become dumber in the past 300 years, or is law self contradicting?