ERB Mafia DP1

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I can think of some, but I'll wait for Earth to respond so I can get a better read on him.
It's honestly nobody's business. If you believe his claim you just avoid visiting him. If you don't than visit and expose him the next day. Asking so the scum team can redirect people to him is bad.
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My rap battle is not on the list.

Also unvote. I can buy lunatic's response for now, and admittedly it is a bit of a stretch. But he is contributing a lot more now, so I guess we will have to watch him and see from here.
Which season is your battle from?
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@Lunatic
Can you link me the question? I am not following
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It's honestly nobody's business. If you believe his claim you just avoid visiting him. If you don't than visit and expose him the next day. Asking so the scum team can redirect people to him is bad.
Exactly.
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Can you link me the question? I am not following
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Yeah I seen it. I can see what your point is, the only reason I am giving him a pass for it though is because he literally just had PGO as a role option in my last game, and I had strictly limited the role specifically because of that mestari game I mentioned. I think it's natural for him to be curious about seeing that unusual role claimed without a limitation, considering he just saw it limited in the last game. And while I can see where you going with on it being "anti-town" for him to question it, I think that part of it is going over his head if you know what I am saying. I mean he could be scum I just don't know if that alone is really enough to justify it. I don't have an alternative though, and if there was a bit more to push him on I am sure I could be sold to the lynch, and I'd rather not no lynch, but considering we have more time I am hoping we can find a more promising option. 
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Why does Luna make my antennae wiggle?
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Yeah I seen it. I can see what your point is, the only reason I am giving him a pass for it though is because he literally just had PGO as a role option in my last game, and I had strictly limited the role specifically because of that mestari game I mentioned. I think it's natural for him to be curious about seeing that unusual role claimed without a limitation, considering he just saw it limited in the last game. And while I can see where you going with on it being "anti-town" for him to question it, I think that part of it is going over his head if you know what I am saying. I mean he could be scum I just don't know if that alone is really enough to justify it. I don't have an alternative though, and if there was a bit more to push him on I am sure I could be sold to the lynch, and I'd rather not no lynch, but considering we have more time I am hoping we can find a more promising option. 
If I’m SOP claiming, why would I leave it out? It’s not like I’m a noob or Wylted who would leave stuff out. Also for someone as experienced as Earth, I don’t buy the “curiosity” argument.
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Why does Luna make my antennae wiggle?
You forgot to say “no homo”
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If I’m SOP claiming, why would I leave it out? It’s not like I’m a noob or Wylted who would leave stuff out. Also for someone as experienced as Earth, I don’t buy the “curiosity” argument.
Preaching to the choir. I get the reasoning, just pointing out that sometimes townies do anti town things, not seeing the bigger picture. But idk maybe your onto something, ill let earth answer for himself.
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Time check? Was the extension approved?
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The majority of players have voted in favor of the extension. This DP will end in approximately 9 hours at 6:00 PM EST.

Votes:

Lunatic (2/6): Banana, Savant 
Earth (2/6): Pie, WyIted 
Banana (1/6): Vader


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i'm gonna sheep your vote bro.
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@Earth
Sleep has been hard to come by over this last week, so forgive me if I'm a little slow this morning.

I'm still seeing more of a case against Earth than I am against Luna atm. The first post asking if the PGO had limitations was already a little weird, but specifying one of those potential limiters raised alarm bells. It's an odd way to join the conversation 2 and 4 posts into him being added to the game, and struck me as an effort to get information that can only hurt town. I'd like to give him a chance to full claim before we make a decision (I don't like that he has stayed quiet on any information regarding his claim despite being sussed) before I make a call on whether he should be the lynch, especially given the extended DP, hence the ping.

As for Luna, I'd like to see a lot more from him next DP and I'm fine seeking a full claim from him as soon as it starts. If we get Earth's claim, that will be three full claims (GP and Pie included) and a character claim + softclaimed role from WyIted, which already seems like a lot given that we know scum can ask about two characters and roles this DP. 
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i'm gonna sheep your vote bro.
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I don't love that we're going after Earth for one thing, but it's telling he hasn't explained why he asked the question.

VTL Earth
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The majority of players have voted in favor of the extension. This DP will end in approximately 9 hours at 6:00 PM EST.

Votes:

Lunatic (2/6): Banana, Savant 
Earth (2/6): Pie, WyIted 
Banana (1/6): Vader
I unvoted in post 260
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Can someone explain the earth scum read to me like i'm five? I am a bit confused.
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Full claim please
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Can someone explain the earth scum read to me like i'm five? I am a bit confused.
I claimed Paranoid Gun Owner. If anyone visits me, they automatically die regardless of their affiliation. 

Earth asked me if I have any restrictions on my role like it can only kill 1 person or it only kills the second person to visit me. If you’re a townie and believe me, there’s no point to asking that question because you wouldn’t visit me in the first place. If you think I’m scum, then you would want to lynch me.

Scum have an incentive to ask for this information. Let’s say for example, I’m an Odd night PGO meaning that only on odd nights whoever visits me, dies. That gives scum options to kill me on even nights, or they can redirect someone to me on odd nights. The enhanced information only benefits scum. Basically, there’s no town reason to ask for this information.
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As for Luna, I'd like to see a lot more from him next DP and I'm fine seeking a full claim from him as soon as it starts. If we get Earth's claim, that will be three full claims (GP and Pie included) and a character claim + softclaimed role from WyIted, which already seems like a lot given that we know scum can ask about two characters and roles this DP. 
I don't really understand why I am still in the conversation here to be fair, I have posted more substance than at least 3 other players, Wylted, earth, banana. I said as early as page one that I would be preoccupied during the weekend, so it's not like I didn't warn you my activity would be bad until now. I feel like you parroting off of savant a bit here. Even banana already dropped her suspicions based on my posting last night. 
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Luna’s non-substance is not affiliation indicative. He was inactive for DP1 in the game where Savant and I basically 1v1ed. What’s pinging my radar of Luna is his defense of Earth’s action being anti-town. I feel like Luna does this a lot where he defends someone he knows is a townie. My only concern is that he has no alternative lynch atm.
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Luna’s non-substance is not affiliation indicative. He was inactive for DP1 in the game where Savant and I basically 1v1ed. What’s pinging my radar of Luna is his defense of Earth’s action being anti-town. I feel like Luna does this a lot where he defends someone he knows is a townie. My only concern is that he has no alternative lynch atm.
I don't really think I am hard defending earth here, and I specifically only want to give him a slight pass here because of the role I gave him in my last game kind of makes sense to me why he would ask that question. Would you agree that PGO is kind of an uncommon role? I haven't seen one in a while, and the one time I do remember the role being used, it ended in chaos and a game ending after a single day phase. I nerfed that role specifically because of said game, and earth had the option of picking said role. I don't know that he is town or scum, just pointing out that I can see a world where earth specifically could do an anti town thing like that without thinking about it. It kind of sounds like im calling him stupid, but its more like an "airheaded" thing. He could be just trying to sus out information as scum as well, I was mostly pointing out that I would like something a little more tangible added to that to secure my vote. I have no reason to believe earth is town at the moment. And yes I admit I do not have an alternative option at this time.
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@Lunatic
I don't really think I am hard defending earth here, and I specifically only want to give him a slight pass here because of the role I gave him in my last game kind of makes sense to me why he would ask that question.
I get that argument, but I don’t see curiosity as a justification for someone this experienced.

Would you agree that PGO is kind of an uncommon role? I haven't seen one in a while, and the one time I do remember the role being used, it ended in chaos and a game ending after a single day phase. I nerfed that role specifically because of said game, and earth had the option of picking said role.
It is uncommon, but it’s not broken as long as it’s SOPed, which I did here. 

I don't know that he is town or scum, just pointing out that I can see a world where earth specifically could do an anti town thing like that without thinking about it. It kind of sounds like im calling him stupid, but its more like an "airheaded" thing. He could be just trying to sus out information as scum as well, I was mostly pointing out that I would like something a little more tangible added to that to secure my vote. I have no reason to believe earth is town at the moment. And yes I admit I do not have an alternative option at this time.
That’s fair
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I am Einstein vs Hawkings and I am the DP3 Informed Townie. Come DP3, assuming I still live, I will be given information town doesn't have.
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Okay it seems there is something there with the earth read, I do not think my vote is needed yet, and I see no reason why he wouldn't come on and comply with a claim, but ill check back and see if a vote is needed before the day ends.
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@Earth
I am Einstein vs Hawkings and I am the DP3 Informed Townie. Come DP3, assuming I still live, I will be given information town doesn't have.
Justification?
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Okay I literally just used that role....
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Would casey copy an unusual role like that in the very next game?
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There really isn't one. Casey just (apparently, haven't watched the video) summerizes the video with Einstein making cripple jokes and Hawking threatening to drop apples on Einstein's head. 
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Yes, Casey would, given I am town. And have you already forgotten that Pie is town?