Choose Your Role DP2

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@ILikePie5
I'm logging off soon, so I'll get to it later tomorrow. Also, I got shit to do in the afternoon, so don't do anything stupid before I can, 'kay?
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It's not risky. Savant was today's kill. It delays it by one day and I have never seen roleblocker stop the NK . It blocks roles and NK is not a role
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In my games roleblocked prevent NKs
I guess we have to ask them

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@Lunatic
  1. Does a roleblock of the scum carrying out the NK, prevent the NK?

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@Savant
If you can remember the game where I mistakes you for scum for similar reason as I am giving now that might be useful to me. I don't personally remember the game or anything about it so I would be clueless where to look
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Well, I guess it’s basically obvious what I am given Earth’s gambit earlier.

I’m the Cop. Needless to say, Investigative role, probably useless now.

I targeted Pie last night. I needed confirmation that I could trust his information. I was pretty blatant about my uncertainties last DP. Result was innocent. Not impossible that he’s the Godfather or something (wouldn’t be a first), but for now at least, I buy that he’s town.

Other options were Watcher, Tracker and something called a Category Cop, which would have told me the category of my target but was also 1X.
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Anyway, really late, now I’m off for the night for real.
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Lunatic messaged me that a role block would block the kill.
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If savant flips town we lynch Vader

Vtl savant
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@Savant
Did you ever claim the other options you were given?
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I'll sort out the mech tmrw, looks pretty complicated but I'm pretty sure it's provable that at least one person is lying.

My working POE is Savant/Vader with maybe a side of Casey.

GP town by role and behavior
Wylted town for behavior and genuine solving yesterday as town that melded closely with my own thoughts
Pie town for the way he handled his role claim + cop clear + pushing me yday in a way very uninformed of my alignment
WF probs town for good faith solving
Earth probs town for reaction test and excitement at pushing Vader

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Official Vote Count:

Savant- 2/5- greyparrot, wylted
Vader- 2/5- earth, savant

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@ILikePie5
My other roles were popular, politician, and 1x dark lord. All of which are "role confirmable," hence why I said I don't believe in the validity of role confirmations. Plus Dark Lord and Politicians had choices to switch the momentum of the game completely. It was between popular and politician and I just thought 1x Double Voter would not hurt town the most 
What do each of the 3 roles do?

Popular - takes one extra vote to lynch (deactive MYLO/LYLO)
Dark Lord - forces lynch at plurality  (deactive MYLO/LYLO)
Politican - control another playes vote during DP
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@ILikePie5
I didn't get a notification saying I was roleblocked so... no??? Lmao. So you are lying lmao. My role is used in the DP so why would I know I got roleblocked
Explain
Gut reaction was that he was lying because I have a DP use role, I honestly didn't know what was so hard to understand
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@whiteflame
Did you know there were still 9 people left in the game when you claimed or did you miss that and claim under the presumption that there were 7-8 people left?
Regardless, why start off the DP with your claim? The only explanation I see here is that you say there were "enough options and leeway" but I don't understand what you're getting at. What value did you see in claiming this early?
1. I tend to claim DP2 as early as possible if it's a role that can be confirmed easily. I was always planning to claim DP2 and using the role at some point but mostly at L-1 so it wouldn't do as much of damage.
2. With 9 people in the game, there is no even LESS of a need to hold off on this because we have 9 alive still going into this DP. I know role confirmation is out the window, but at least you know I was thinking from town utility

I've claimed early DP2 if games I was town (specifically the 1x Cop game that Pie had), and there's another I can't remember. It's not my normal meta but I do it if there's no negative that could occur from doing so early
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@ILikePie5
See above
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@Savant
So either Savant is lying through his teeth or I've been framed
How would you have been “framed”
Well mafia knows that Austin was going to back from Grey's role, so no matter what they go to a 6v2. A risky gambit could be waiving an NK to fake a RB. Would very much work because of the nature of the game
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@ILikePie5
Sorry meant for Pie
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Casey being a Mason Recruiter and then choosing Pie was probably the right choice. But even still with that Casey still could be scum considering the nature of the game and Mason Recruiter would be the best way to draw town confirmation. So it's honestly a tough choice to say but feels behaviorally town IMO
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Why would mafia purposely no kill? Austin is confirmed town and now WF has copped Pie innocent. So assuming WF is town, that is three players in the town pile. What is the point where you start playing to your win condition?
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@WyIted
I think Vader is town tho...
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@Vader
Who is your second scum read?