Okay, GP is town. No reason for him to lie about having such an easily confirmable role, and I can't see a role like that going to mafia. That's actually one of the situations where role confirmation is essentially affiliation confirmation.
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@Casey_Risk
I can put him in my town pile, although I prefer he never outted his role. At the very least, from however describes his role, that it confirms whoever was lynched.
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@Greyparrot
Use it the first chance you get, otherwise scum is likely to kill you. Takes one option off the table for them.
Catching up on the DP. Giving some thoughts on what I’ve read so far.
I think someone will have already mentioned at this point that there are only 7 of the 9 categories listed in this game. That means scum has access to two of them, so with a few exceptions, I don’t think we should be writing off any category as “town-only.” The killing role might be town-only since I can’t think of one scum would have. I’d also put the negative utility role in that category, maybe the passive. For the rest… not so much. There is almost certainly a town investigative role, but there are several investigative roles associated with scum that I can’t write off. If someone can inform me of a scum protective role because I’m not aware of one. I‘ll note that claiming a role in one of these categories doesn’t make the person a given to be town, especially since we know two category claims will be outright lies.
I can see how it would be possible for scum to have a JOAT that belongs solely to one of these categories. Since I believe there must be an Investigative role among the 7 on town, that implies that one scum player and one town player have manipulation roles to mess with their results. That might be part of the reason Luna’s a bit cagey about balance in the OP, since some manipulative roles will be either useful or useless depending on the investigator’s choice.
I buy GP’s claim. It’s quickly confirmable and is exceedingly unlikely to be scum.
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@whiteflame
I agree, there is no category Luna's warped mind could not twist to serve evil. Pure evil.
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@Savant
Protective I can see being a lock for town but killing is probably like a vigilante
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@Greyparrot
I have a one-time ability to undo a lynch. After someone is lynched and their role is revealed, I can use my power to bring them back into the game. However, they’ll return as an ordinary vanilla townie. This ability (obviously) cannot be used on mafia members.
We should absolutely test this if somebody wants to claim a negative utility
Does anyone else regret the role they chose and want to change it?
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@WyIted
Does anyone else regret the role they chose and want to change it?
Me tbh
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@WyIted
We should absolutely test this if somebody wants to claim a negative utility
I'd start with someone we think is likely scum. Lynching scum day 1 is a huge advantage.
So here are my thoughts:
Role analysis will probably be useless this game. We’re going to have to rely on behavioral analysis for the most part. Balance analysis is also useless because the balance is up in the air per OP.
I think in terms of claims we should have everyone claim the roles they are NOT as a part of their full claim in addition to their category (being first claim)
Hi everyone.
I'm the Hammerer.
I'm negative utility. I got the option of hammerer, hated, miller, and gravedigger. Hammerer was the only confirmable role, so I chose it. The role hammers any person at L - 1 if I'm not already on their wagon, and it disables at MYLO and LYLO.
Pretty sure this hard confirms me as town, since it'd be atrocious from a balancing perspective to give scum a useless when town has seven non-negative utility PRs.
Will be around later tonight to give my thoughts.
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@ILikePie5
I like my choice.
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@ILikePie5
Hammerer was the only confirmable role, so I chose it. The role hammers any person at L - 1 if I'm not already on their wagon, and it disables at MYLO and LYLO.
Somehow, this doesn't make logical sense.
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@AustinL0926
So do you automatically hammer at L-1 no matter what?
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@Greyparrot
Ya. My vote automatically gets transferred to be the hammer vote.
It sounds pretty bad, but it's pretty easy to play around - just don't put people at L - 1 if you don't want them to die immediately.
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@ILikePie5
I think in terms of claims we should have everyone claim the roles they are NOT as a part of their full claim in addition to their category (being first claim)
As in, saying what our other options were besides the role we chose?
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@AustinL0926
Personally, I would have picked gravedigger.
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@ILikePie5
Oh, for no particular reason what role number did you prefer your role be changed to?
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@AustinL0926
What did grave digger do?
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@WyIted
Ehhh I was choosing between 2 and maybe I would switch but I wouldn't realistically do it. My role is confirmable
A couple of other thoughts I missed out on giving yesterday… it was a long week…
I’m retracting my statement on passive roles likely being only town and modifying my statement on there likely being a scum manipulator role. I think there is either a scum passive or scum manipulator. Roles like Godfather, Ascetic and Ninja all have a foot in both categories, but the latter could include Framer/Tailor/Lawyer. I guess that’s why I was leaning towards a manipulator being on the scum side since it offers more options to counter a town investigator.
I am opposed to a massclaim. We have two full claims on the table, both of which can (and should) be confirmed by the end of the DP, and both of which are decidedly more likely to be town, and I’m sure we’ll get at least one more claim before the end of the DP. I like the idea of having the person claim all the other roles they rejected, though given that there is a whole suite of fake claims available to scum in this game (they literally have access to two whole categories worth of roles), I don’t know how helpful it will be.
We are going to have to base a lot of our reads on behavior at this stage.
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@WyIted
Does anyone else regret the role they chose and want to change it?
I kind of am now.
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@AustinL0926
I'm the Hammerer.I'm negative utility. I got the option of hammerer, hated, miller, and gravedigger. Hammerer was the only confirmable role, so I chose it.
I get the thinking here. If gravedigger works like I think it does, then it would have been a risky choice since you would have been automatically tracked to the NK target, and the lack of confirmation wouldn’t help.
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@whiteflame
Good to see you back in action. Also nice DanDaDan PFP. I enjoyed the show
But I agree with a good amount of your analysis on the roles being "town confirmed." Think we need to do a deeper dive + also people got choose their role too. A lot of variability with that.
Grey's Dp1 claim is his meta unfortunately and probably should've been claimed. Austin was in the right for claiming neg utility. |
Gonna be a lot of behavioral analysis
Gonna be a lot of behavioral analysis
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@Vader
Good to see you back at it too!
Only better stuff to come from Dandadan, love the manga. Only problem with the show is that it ended S1 in a weird spot.
Grey's Dp1 claim is his meta unfortunately and probably should've been claimed. Austin was in the right for claiming neg utility.
Yeah, GP’s choice to claim was a little frustrating. Assuming we lynch scum, he’s a target for the NK without being able to use his role, so it would have been best to keep it under wraps. Agreed on Austin.
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@whiteflame
kind of am now.
I can change a role so anyone who regrets it just tell me what number the role they prefer is. It's a 1x ability.
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@WyIted
I’ll consider it. That is an instantly verifiable role, so I guess I understand outing it at this stage. Be careful who you pick, wouldn’t want scum to have their role shifted based on the roles they now know.
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@whiteflame
Yeah only you and pie i think states some regret and unless I put one of you in the scum pile I will just do first come first serve but I need to know what number everyone wants their role changed to. I also didn't ask but I think I can use the ability on myself as well. It is single shot
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@WyIted
Interesting. This is a Manipulation role, correct? If so, we’ve got Manipulation (which seems to focus more on active manipulation), Negative Utility and Voting claims so far.