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Yes, shah Faisal, zulfiqar bhuto and kadafi 3 people made OIC and 3 being killed in tragic way.
But let me tell you everything is going through the plan. 
Allah's plan, everything happens according to his plan and on right time, we cannot go out of it even a fraction of sec. 
Everything has been foretold by our prophet and it's going exactly on that track, our time will come as well. But what should be our mission right now? It's that we must take away people from hellfire as much as we can and do it let them fall in the trap of devil. Those who follow him will be people of hell which is loose for humans win for devil. It's challenge of devil to take people astray and increase their numbers as much as he can. And our mission should be to take into heaven as much as we can. Worldy things are temp, does not matter much.


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Allah's plan, everything happens according to his plan and on right time, we cannot go out of it even a fraction of sec. 
Muslim world lags behind in every sphere of life: Dr. Zubair Zafar Khan

New Delhi : Muslims are the second largest religious group on the planet earth after Christians but they stand nowhere in terms of scientific research and other indices of progress. This was stated by Dr Zubair Zafar Khan while delivering an extension lecture on “Muslim Progress in 21st century” at Jamia Millia Islamia here on Saturday.  Dr Khan, who is an Assistant Professor in the Department of Islamic Studies, Aligarh Muslim University, said the comparative analysis of the 54 Muslim countries and developed nations, like USA, European Unions, and China shows Muslims lag behind in every sphere of life.

Relying on the data of western sources, Dr Khan said  US-based Pew Research Centre pegs world  total Muslim population at 1.65 billion while the Jews population around 14 million, representing 0.2% of the global population.  He underlined that the ratio of Muslims, Jews is 117:1 or the population of Muslims is 117 times larger than of Jews but still Muslims stand nowhere.

For example, almost three quarters of the world’s 775 million illiterate adults are found in only ten countries and out these ten six are Muslim Majority Countries (MMCs).

Continuing his lecture, he said, “There are 2621 universities in total in the Muslims world while 6500 universities are in USA alone. Average research per MMC is made between 2005-12 is 193 wherein 7,482 researches were made only in small country like Finland.USA, China, Denmark, Finland, Iceland are those countries which produced individually more PhDs than all MMCs produced collectively”

The AMU teacher also underscored that since 1901 to 2020 Muslim won only 12 Nobel prizes whilst Christians won 423, Jews won 203 and Hindus won 9.

On GDPs, he said  only top seven MMCs have their GDPs greater than the revenue of Royal Dutch Shell while the rest of 44 MMCs have GDPs lower than the revenue of Royal Dutch Shell in 2012.

He explained closely that the sum total of the Exports of all MMCs is $2.190 trillion in 2012 while China alone exports the goods of worth $2. 021 trillion and USA $1.612 trillion in the same year.

For instance, 77% population of Burkina Faso is unemployed. Similarly, Turkmenistan has 60%, Dijbouti 59%, Senegal 48%, Kosovo 45.3%, Yemen 35% unemployed population.

When it comes to poverty, he said 80% population of Chad is living below poverty line and similarly, 70.2% population in Sierra Leone, 70% in Nigeria, 60% in Comoros lives below poverty line.

He also drew attention towards achievements of Muslim world stating  that only 9 Muslims travelled to space whereas 14 Jews and approximately 487 Christians, 3 Hindus and more than 20 of other faiths including Buddhist and others went to space till date.

Till today 27 MMCs have won 118 Gold Medals collectively in Olympics, whereas US alone won 1063.

In terms of local newspapers, the figures are too surprising.

He said only Turkey has the maximum numbers of local newspapers among MMCs with 91 papers while UK has 652 and USA 9712 papers.

He further said since the first aircraft (in 1903) still no MMCs has its own aircraft engine manufacturing facility except Iran. No MMCs have airborne observatory, resonant bars, radio observatory neutrino detector, major web server, multinational news channel except Al-Jazeera, Multinational newspaper, automobile manufacturer, atomic force microscope, multinational cell phone manufacturer and the like.

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What you are trying to say here?
I have already told you the reason.
But still let me tell you something.
Moses and bani Israel was persecuted and they liked a life of slaves and their boys were killed and girls were left.
Jesus himself was crucified according to you but not Muslim yet they tried it.
All prophets faced hardship and tell me how many of them were literate? 
Muslim has given birth to modern science, for that you can check golden age of Muslim and scientist of that time. 
But getting into only Knowledge did not empowered them only Allah can. 
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Me being unemployed shows how bad system is here while my vision is so high in innovation and research. All those who are good just go abroad to earn and give benefit to other countries because salary is high. That is kept in this way so good people can't achieve in their own country.
Told ya it's very deep
You cannot know





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Told ya it's very deep
You cannot know
Religion divided Pakistan.
Do Shia believe in the Quran?
History. The Shī'ah use the same Qur'an as Sunni Muslims, however they do not believe that it was first compiled by Uthman ibn Affan. The Shī'ah believe that the Qur'an was gathered and compiled by Muhammad during his lifetime.

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We as well, quran was compiled by prophet Muhammad saw himself, Usman Ra just formed it into a 1 book. it was written at the time of propeht Muhammad saw but on different pieces, like leaves, leather and wood.

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We as well, quran was compiled by prophet Muhammad saw himself, Usman Ra just formed it into a 1 book. it was written at the time of propeht Muhammad saw but on different pieces, like leaves, leather and wood.


The following table shows some of the strong differences between Jesus and Muhammad. The Muslims revere Muhammad as the greatest of prophets, yet Jesus clearly demonstrated greater authority, teaching, and miracles than Muhammad ever did. Why would anyone want to follow Muhammad over Jesus when Jesus claimed to be divine, performed many miracles, said he alone was the truth, raised people from the dead, and rose from the dead himself; Muhammad did none of these things. However, Muhammad did have people killed, spread his religion through war, married a very young girl, had relations with her when she was nine years of age, and taught hatred of Jews and Christians.
There is no comparison between Jesus and Muhammad. Muhammad falls so far short that he cannot be held on any level remotely close to Jesus. Muhammad is clearly inferior to Christ.
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The table is filled with blunders.
Historical inaccuracies and falsehood.
Among them everything is superior of prophet Muhammad saw.
Which I will show you with video today. In fact I will make video about your every topic.
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The table is filled with blunders.
Historical inaccuracies and falsehood.
Among them everything is superior of prophet Muhammad saw.
Which I will show you with video today. In fact I will make video about your every topic.

Do Muslims believe Jesus was crucified?
Unlike the Christian view of the death of Jesus, most Muslims believe he was raised to Heaven without being put on the cross and God created a resemblance to appear exactly like Jesus who was crucified instead of Jesus, and he ascended bodily to Heaven, there to remain until his Second Coming in the End days.

Muslims believe that Jesus (peace be upon him) was not crucified. Allah saved and raised him, and someone else was crucified in his place.

Which religion believes that Muhammad is the last prophet?
The title is generally regarded by Muslims as meaning that Muhammad is the last in the series of prophets beginning with Adam. The belief that a new prophet cannot arise after Muhammad is shared by both Sunni and Shi'a Muslims.

In Medina, located in present-day Saudi Arabia, Muhammad, one of the most influential religious and political leaders in history, dies in the arms of Aisha, his third and favorite wife. Some scholars have identified the date as June 8, 632, but note that the exact date is not possible to verify.
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Yes, correct info.
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Yes, correct info.

Arabic is deeply revered in Pakistan for its religious significance, though it is not spoken or understood in the country.
Do you read or speak Arabic?
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80% word of Arabic in urdu, we can read and speak and can understand good amount of classical Arabic which is of Quranic Arabic. Reading and speaking upto some level everyone knows like those verses and Arabic which is necessary for 5 times of prayers.
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80% word of Arabic in urdu, we can read and speak and can understand good amount of classical Arabic which is of Quranic Arabic. Reading and speaking upto some level everyone knows like those verses and Arabic which is necessary for 5 times of prayers.

Poverty in Pakistan has been recorded by the World Bank at 39.3% using the lower middle-income poverty rate of US$3.2 per day for the fiscal year 2020–21. In September 2021, the government stated that 22% percent of its population lives below the national poverty line set at Rs. 3030 (US$10) per month.

Will praying 5 times a day eliminate poverty in Pakistan?
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This question has already been answered.
But I can respond to it with a video.
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according to your video the earthquakes in Pakistan is a test by Allah. According to the Bible plagues (earthquakes, floods, droughts) are a curse sent by God to punish the people for their evil actions. You are confusing reward with punishment.
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There is thin line between both, Islamically if a person stays calm and show patience and a  pious and good person would be doing that. 
Then it's ibtila means test for him or her and he had passed. But if he become more arrogant and complain about it then it's punishment for him. Extreme detail and condition of heart only Allah knows. So outcome and purpose is always fulfilled, and based on individuals.
So whether it's punishment or ibtila(test) depends on our response.
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There is thin line between both, Islamically if a person stays calm and show patience and a  pious and good person would be doing that. 
Then it's ibtila means test for him or her and he had passed. But if he become more arrogant and complain about it then it's punishment for him. Extreme detail and condition of heart only Allah knows. So outcome and purpose is always fulfilled, and based on individuals.
So whether it's punishment or ibtila(test) depends on our response.
So why did Pakistan go nuclear. You cannot stop earthquakes with nuclear bombs. Nuclear bombs are weapons of mass destruction.
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It's defensive strategy, Islam do not stop us to be precautious, India had, so we had to get it too. The clash which great gamers let's us in by default. It was inevitable and kind of inherited.
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It's defensive strategy, Islam do not stop us to be precautious, India had, so we had to get it too. The clash which great gamers let's us in by default. It was inevitable and kind of inherited.
Whose side is Allah on?

Who is richer Pakistan or Bangladesh?
Bangladesh has surged ahead

In 2023 the comparative picture of Bangladesh and Pakistan is as follows: 1) In terms of per capita GDP, Bangladesh has surpassed Pakistan by 80 percent. Bangladesh's per capita GDP in 2021-22 is $2793 and Pakistan's is $1547.

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Well, Bangladesh would have prospered long time ago and has history way older then Pakistan. In Bangladesh floods cause a lot of devastations in past which effected the economy and land loss as well. Area is not much big but population is so high. Normally where population is high chances of emergances is high too. Becuse number of talented people are more probable. For Pakistan, this country has potential to become super power, but who will let it to become? There are two very strong members in islamic alliance which are Pakistan and turkey. Pakistan being atomic nation is only one, so a lot of pressure and targeted operations against it and right now people who do not have guts trying to blend into them who are controlling, but it needs courage and sacrifice to emerge from this position. In the end of the day, Allah is best planner. 
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In the end of the day, Allah is best planner. 
Pray Allah shows mercy on the people of Pakistan and ends these earthquakes.
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Which earthquakes? No more earth quakes, but near the day of judgment, like now a days their will be more disasters throughout the world not only in Pakistan. But in Pakistan it's mostly plain areas where there are very less earthquakes, it's northern area like mine called Kashmir where only earthquake in 2005, not anymore  alhumd ll Allah. You can see fire in los Angeles, so disasters can comes anywhere it does not matter. People think death is bad but it's meeting with Allah, only important thing is that, when you die, Allah should be happy with you and you are being good person. Otherwise people die everyday everywhere in the world becuse or different reason and it's just cycle of life.
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Otherwise people die everyday everywhere in the world becuse or different reason and it's just cycle of life.
How many wives are you allowed to have in Pakistan?
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4 wives max, but 98% only have one. And no body is allowed to have relation out of marital bond. So you can say majority have only 1 body count with Thier spouse and no cheating is allowed. So first wife must knows for other.
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4 wives max, but 98% only have one. And no body is allowed to have relation out of marital bond. So you can say majority have only 1 body count with Thier spouse and no cheating is allowed. So first wife must knows for other.
The Taliban in Pakistan being martyrs are promised 72 virgins in paradise. Are the Pakistani following their example?
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Well, all men would be given virgins in paradise, and a martyrs in islam would be given as well. But about Taliban in Pakistan is different story and it's general rule for martyr and about anyone Else or some specific group no one can guarantee and even them being on right path. Jihad or wars in islam are always defensive battles to protect innocent Muslim. Islam do not allow offensive battles to be more clear about who could be eligible for martyrdom.
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Well, all men would be given virgins in paradise, and a martyrs in islam would be given as well. But about Taliban in Pakistan is different story and it's general rule for martyr and about anyone Else or some specific group no one can guarantee and even them being on right path. Jihad or wars in islam are always defensive battles to protect innocent Muslim. Islam do not allow offensive battles to be more clear about who could be eligible for martyrdom.
But the Pakistani don’t need the protection of the Taliban. Pakistan is a nuclear power.
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We need protection from Allah but no one else, USA was nuclear power and could not do anything to Afghanistan and same goes for Russia. So it proves that only God can help whomever he wants and being nuclear power does not matter. So we do not need protection from anyone at all but Allah
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We need protection from Allah but no one else, USA was nuclear power and could not do anything to Afghanistan and same goes for Russia. So it proves that only God can help whomever he wants and being nuclear power does not matter. So we do not need protection from anyone at all but Allah
Allah protected East Pakistan from West Pakistan. That is why we have Bangla Desh.
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In slam whole world is one ummah, we are not bound by boundaries, a Muslim should know we are 1 as ummah like a body. Prophet Muhammad saw said, whole ummah is like one body, if one part of body feels pain then the whole body feels pain. It was not much feasible to have 1 country at two places and while India is in between. So some people took advantage of this situation and cause the separation. But Muslims of Bangladesh who are true Muslim still considered us one ummah and love each other. While some betrayed and team up with India and got no benefits from this teaming up until recently when they took away the government or hasina wajid and shown that they were not sincere to country but to their rule and dominance.