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@Lunatic
No i both prime and ignite in the night. I have unlimited primes, only one ignite.
Doesn’t matter anymore. Just got told that bulletproofs are immune to bullets only.
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@Lunatic
It’s also possible that neither exist because of Wylted and Earth’s roles, but then I’d have to argue two people on the same scum team claimed roles that can be a soft CC of each other- although Cerulean doesn’t seem to think there’s such a CC that can actually be made.
If it’s Whiteflame it’s most likely Austin that’s the teammate. If it’s Cerulean it gets tricky because it’s either that Whiteflame claimed something that could be used to CC his own teammate, or that Austin was willing to lynch his own teammate DP1 (I know Austin had a questionable townread of Ceruean DP1 after laying out a good reason to sus Cerulean, but he was on the wagon when I’m not sure he had to be by the end of it). I guess ADOL exists too, but he’s not an easy scumread rn.
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@Mharman
It’s also possible that neither exist because of Wylted and Earth’s roles, but then I’d have to argue two people on the same scum team claimed roles that can be a soft CC of each other- although Cerulean doesn’t seem to think there’s such a CC that can actually be made.If it’s Whiteflame it’s most likely Austin that’s the teammate. If it’s Cerulean it gets tricky because it’s either that Whiteflame claimed something that could be used to CC his own teammate, or that Austin was willing to lynch his own teammate DP1 (I know Austin had a questionable townread of Ceruean DP1 after laying out a good reason to sus Cerulean, but he was on the wagon when I’m not sure he had to be by the end of it). I guess ADOL exists too, but he’s not an easy scumread rn.
I know mods like to put new players in the fire as mafia, so it's one recent to be a bit paranoid of ADOL.
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@Lunatic
Do you go out of your way to make noobs scum on their first game? Wylted says it’s a dick move to make noobs scum in their first game and says he wouldn’t do it.
I just adhere to pure randomness. I think that’s what most mods do today. I would hope anyway. My pov is that influencing what noobs can be results in games that can be cheesed simply by asking where the mod would put a noob.
I can’t speak for all mods of course, but Ive seen this conversation before. Iirc most people in that convo took the side of randomness. That may have been a conversation about team balancing tho- but I think it was about noobs. Regardless, if you’re not tf2-style auto balancing teams before the game starts as a mod, you’re probably not designating certain affiliations to noobs either.
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@Mharman
Do you go out of your way to make noobs scum on their first game? Wylted says it’s a dick move to make noobs scum in their first game and says he wouldn’t do it.
I would say no, I have probably done it before, but I don't remember.
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@Lunatic
The only problem I have with this is her magic being "nothing to write home about". She is literally a witch with extraordinary powers, and is one of the only ones that can resist Elva's mental abilities, as well as she had the ability to essentially stop time killing a large group of Helgrind worshippers in a second. She's also the only person whose as old if not older than Galbatorix on the planet, without the use of Eldanari (dragon hearts). She easily outclassed both Arya and Eragon in mental battle training exercises. To say her magic isn't anything to write home about means that I'd have to buy that either pie or whiteflame didn't do a ton of research on this character.
I'm paraphrasing to the best of my ability, but the gist of it is that her powers aren't as visually stand-out as others. The words used are not as "flashy" or "grand," hence nothing to write home about.
I'm Oromis and I'm 1-shot Motivator (give someone the ability to act twice on the next night). Extremely paraphrased justification is that I help guide and train Eragon, making him stronger.
I motivated Mharman last night. Explaining why in a sec.
So I didn't motivate anyone on N1 because I didn't have a strong enough townread on anyone to risk giving scum an extra NK or ability. I asked Pie, motivator also allows someone to carry an extra kill as well if they have that ability.
I decided to use it on N2 since I had stronger reads and I wanted to confirm myself before going into MYLO.
The potential pool of targets was [Luna, Earth, Mharman, WF, ADOL, Cerulean.]
Luna was conftown, but since he got vanillaized, I presume motivating him wouldn't do anything - it only gives targets the ability to use an extra ability if they have one.
Earth was hammerer, so obviously motivating him wouldn't do anything either.
I considered Cerulean, but I didn't really have a townread on him, and also, even if he got to use his role twice if he's telling the truth, it's still pretty useless since we're at the point that if he's town, he's not getting night-killed, and if he's lynched, the game ends anyway, so there wouldn't be any utility in that.
That left Mharman, WF, and ADOL as serious targets.
In the end, the tiebreaker was rereading over the DP - during last DP, I got really tunneled on Wylted and I was basically scumreading Mharman because he kept defending Wylted. But with Wylted actually flipping town, I felt there was no reason for scum Mharman to defend him so hard and not just take the easy mislynch on an investigative role.
I was also kinda hoping that Mharman had a strong town PR since he said he didn't want to claim, which I figured he wouldn't do if he had a weak or negative utility role, so I was hoping to confirm myself and give town an edge today.
Unfortunately he's bulletproof, so I presume he wouldn't get any message about being motivated. I understand if people have me in POE today because I'm unconfirmed and I was also pushing really hard for Wylted yesterday, but I'll try my best to solve and hit scum today.
My thoughts on the claims:
Mharman, agree with Luna that it's not really the role I would expect for the character. Iirc, I would think of her more as a leader type, although she is known for her resilience it's not anything super standout.
WF's claim is... weird. I've never heard of the role before. It almost seems too random to be made up: the justification, being roleblocked two NPs in a row, the exact usage of a 15-letter word, and the 50% chance (because lolmod apparently) to inform someone that they're town. Going back to the justification, again it's not really what I would expect for the character. I do remember that WF generally has gone for simpler fakeclaims in the past, like Jailkeeper and VIP, so that's a point in his favor.
ADOL needs to claim, ofc.
I'll be around later to discuss. Feels like we have a ton of info and we just need to finish things off.
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@AustinL0926
Why not motivate ADOL? He also didn't want to claim.
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@Lunatic
Thoughts on his justification?
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@AustinL0926
so I presume he wouldn't get any message about being motivated.
No, you're not presuming. You're going to go ask if motivating a player without a night action would give feedback or not.
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@Mharman
Thoughts on his justification?
Technically fits the character, but its one of those that also applies to multiple people in the series. I would say Eragon probably gets his biggest power buff from Oromis in the series though
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@Mharman
Why not motivate ADOL? He also didn't want to claim.
Because if he's scum, scum get an extra NK, which is pretty obviously bad. It's a matter of risk and reward - relatively speaking, I felt you were less likely to be scum.
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@Mharman
@Cerulean
No, you're not presuming. You're going to go ask if motivating a player without a night action would give feedback or not.
I just asked Pie, but I'm 99% sure that it wouldn't - the wording of my PM (not allowed to quote, obviously) makes it clear that it only applies to active actions, so a passive role like bulletproof wouldn't be affected.
Mharman, while I'm waiting on Pie, could you confirm whether you received any feedback on being motivated last night anyway, I suppose?
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@AustinL0926
I obviously was not notified of anything.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I have some thoughts on which claim is most suspicious, but I'd like for ADOL to chime in with their claim first.
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@AustinL0926
When we're on evens, not really? We wouldn't lose a mislynch unless scum already had another way of killing and it would tell you with a very high likelihood who one of the Mafia members is.Because if he's scum, scum get an extra NK, which is pretty obviously bad.
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@Cerulean
Very good point
As long as ADOL’s claim isn’t egregious, I’m down to say he’s clear. Especially given the claims we have here.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Hello
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@Mharman
Character Role NP1 NP2
ADOL Arya Singer No show Picked Wylted
I kept my role hidden because I believed that it would make me a likely target. Now that so many have presumably honestly revealed their roles that is no longer true.
At this point in the game I've decided the theme doesn't mean much. Town has lost a lot of people, but I am now 99% sure Lunatic is Town. I am unlikely to support lynching Mharman.
For the rest I will likely parrot any attack Lunatic or Mharman agree on.
Although I was never sure Wylted was scum and never said I was sure, there was something that made his claims somewhat suspicious and reading the exact role I see I was right about that, that can wait till after the game since Wylted can't comment.
If anyone thinks my analysis was suspicious before I'll explain why I think the suspicion (beyond the theme association) was valid even though it turned out to be wrong.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
What is a singer?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
That is not what I was expecting… I’m gonna second Lunatic’s question here.
I’ll say what I was expecting after you answer.
I apologize for my absence today, I’m just slammed with work for pretty much the entirety of it. I’ll be active later.
I’d like to know what a Singer is as well. I’ve seen descriptions of the role, but it’s new to me.
I’d like to know what a Singer is as well. I’ve seen descriptions of the role, but it’s new to me.
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@Lunatic
@Mharman
It's that exactly.
Also I didn't and can't do anything in nightphase so that copy pasted column header was wrong. I voted for Wylted to be lynched and that's all I've done but talk.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I was expecting a protective role. Felt like I wasn’t the only role that should be able to stop a night kill here. Guess not.
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@Lunatic
@ADreamOfLiberty
What’s the justification for singer?
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@Cerulean
When we're on evens, not really? We wouldn't lose a mislynch unless scum already had another way of killing and it would tell you with a very high likelihood who one of the Mafia members is.
That's a good point - probably mis-targeting wouldn't be bad as I initially thought it was. Nevertheless, I don't think there would be any *advantage* in targeting someone who I didn't townread, at worst they'd get a potential extra damaging action and at best they could just idle the motivated action to avoid suspicion. I'm curious if you think otherwise?