Which party is better at addressing income inequality?

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The dude who exploded the cyber truck in nevada in his manifesto called out income inequality in the usa, and ultimately elevated trump and Elon musk as solutions to his grievances. 

To me that doesn't make sense at all. But Which party to you is better at addressing income inequality and why?
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The richest man in the world is the solution to the problem of income inequality.

With logic like that, it's no wonder he blew himself up.

What was the point of attacking a Trump building with a Musk truck?


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Neither. There are billionaires in both parties.
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Which party to you is better at addressing income inequality
Whichever party can make everyone poor.
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It makes since when you look at things like how capitalism is supposed to be competitive. You can argue that George Bush's Republican party was bad at addressing this but not Trump's.

Part of what gives a corporation a competitive advantage is how they lock down markets

Technically I could invent the cure for cancer in my basement. However it currently costs billions to bring a drug to market and I don't have a billion dollars so I would have to sell the drug to a pharma company. This is because the Democrats have the market over regulated.
If you look at AI. As soon as chat agPT came out, the company that owns chat GPT started begging for regulations and Democrats were happy to create them.

Sam Bankman Freid, remember him? He essentially cornered crypto exchanges and when he did, he begged for regulations?

This shit keeps the billionaires rich and makes it impossible for you to start competitive ventures and beat them.

Right now crypto currency is a way around the monopolistic strangle hold the federal reserve (a private corporation) has over the currency.

Guess who is pushing to heavily regulate crypto

Hell we know that supply and demand is a thing and the higher the demand and the lower the supply, the higher costs rise and create income inequalities. So who is trying to flood 6 figure tech jobs with H1B1 immigrants and drive down American wages? It's not republicans who are for deportation.

The only weapon in the democrat tool box is UBI. However the only realistic way to get the UBI rolling is through what's known as "the Fairtax" this Fairfax comes with a $1000 a month stipend for every American citizen. Guess who opposes the fair tax. That's right Democrats. So even on shit they promise, the Republicans have a more realistic way of getting the ball rolling.

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Whichever party can make everyone poor.
I agree with Savant.  The only way to make everyone with equal pay is to bring everyone down.  There are estimates that the average pay, if divided equally in the USA. would only bring the average pay per person to $60K-$90K a year.  That is barely enough to afford to live in Phoenix for sure.

To answer your question, income equality does not involve the government, but it involves the mind set of the population.  Any government program that gives to the population is making it harder on the population to depend on themselves.  We create our own wealth, NOT the government, so I would say the party with less hand outs and regulations.

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The only way to make everyone with equal pay is to bring everyone down
Equal pay is nonsense, but one can tax some wealth of the rich and give it to the poor.

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Equal pay is nonsense, but one can tax some wealth of the rich and give it to the poor.
In theory, yes, if all people thought like rich people but why are people poor?  Are they poor money managers, are they unskilled at a job and cannot get more pay, are they actually too dumb to do anything but ditch digging, do they refuse to follow directions so they cannot ever stay at a job long enough to learn or rise to the top?  To throw more money are people who don't like, want or care about money will not solve a poor person mentality.

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You seem to answer your own question with your own answer here, I just want to see if I understand it. You ask "why are people poor". Your subsequent questions seem to elucidate what you think are common causes of poverty. Do you believe poor people are all poor because of their "mentality"? Conversely, then, are rich people rich because of their mentality? That poor people don't like, want or care about money? I'm not sure I understand what you mean. 
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To throw more money are people who don't like, want or care about money will not solve a poor person mentality.
But it will help them buy things. People like to have money.
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Hey Ludo!

Do you believe poor people are all poor because of their "mentality"?
Not entirely, but the majority, YES.  I was raised "poor" and had poor friends due to the neighborhood I lived in.  My dad was a very bad money manager and I learned from him how to handle money.  I was always broke after each week.  I never saved money as a kid an only really got a hold of it when I got married.  My wife, who is very cautious, wanted a budget and wanted to save money.  I told her I would budget and save when I had money to do so. Point is, my mentality was not that I couldn't make enough money, it was that I didn't care about it enough to manage it.  I was carefree with taco bell and video games and not caring about my money.  While in this state of mind, I only made $15 per hour for a while.  I didn't care to improve on my job.  I was envious of other people's new trucks, houses, vacations, etc.

After I learned to care about my finances, my work ethic improved, my financial status improved, I bought a house, and I started earning more money than my dad when I was 25. Now I am running my own business and making twice as much as my dad has ever made in his life, per year.  I know there are other certain factors with this, but your views on life and money will change a man.  My dad is the smartest guy I know, a math wiz, numbers muncher, a regular MacGyver, a hard worker and has been at the same company for 15-20 years but he never learned to look at himself as worthy until recently and was able to get about a $20K raise with in 5 years. 

Conversely, then, are rich people rich because of their mentality?
Not entirely, but the majority, YES.  

That poor people don't like, want or care about money? I'm not sure I understand what you mean. 
Money is always important to all and it makes the world go 'round, but some people have the idea that being poor is being righteous or being rich is being greedy.  Therefore it is a self sabotaging mentality.  They either are not worthy or money or they want to be seen as the underdog or whatever.  They always want the money but never want to live it.

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How often are you encountering poor people?

And probably good to define what you see as "rich." How much money do you think qualifies as rich?
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How often are you encountering poor people?
As an exact amount per hour, beats me.  I do know a lot of poor people, lived with poor people, work with poor people AND I WAS a poor people.  So I do have a lot of interaction with them and see the same mentality within the "poor ranks".

And probably good to define what you see as "rich." How much money do you think qualifies as rich?
Good question.  I would say "not poor" is making around $100K a year.  Anything less is just about survival in Phoenix.  Rich would be over $250K a year (I would think).
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But it will help them buy things. People like to have money.
True, so they should earn it themselves.

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Ok, so we have different definitions of rich, for me rich is "don't have to work" and "too much money to even spend," live whatever lifestyle you want regardless of what others think, etc. In that case 250K a year isn't rich, it's certainly not poor but in most cases you still have to "add" to the 250k to be sustainable. For me, that kind of rich starts at about 10M bucks. As far as the poor people I've encountered, I haven't met one I think is poor because they "think like a poor person."

For example, there's no "thinking like a rich person" that would save a longshoreman's job from automation. If you're a longshoreman and your boss at the company you work for decides he'd rather invest $200K in a machine that safely unloads containers at a much faster clip than a person, that never gets sick, doesn't get tired, doesn't require benefits, never gets tempted to take a box of something, and will never complain about getting paid, guess what happens to you, Mr. Longshoreman? You're out on your ear, that's just how the market works. Now you're not making $XXX, whatever that number was, and you're in your mid to late 40's. This person has ONLY experience in a job that's going to be fully automated, because the shipping company's competitors are all going to do the same thing, automate their offloading. They have to in order to 'remain competitive.' So now this longshoreman has less jobs to pick from, fewer prospects. This person is on a path to poverty, we can agree, right? Without some significant change, he's going to get stuck in some entry level work somewhere. 

Where is his path to $250K? Or $150K? 90K? 


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True, so they should earn it themselves
Or the government could give them by taxing the rich.

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What was the point of attacking a Trump building with a Musk truck?
To destroy the notion that one was defending the other.
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Where is his path to $250K? Or $150K? 90K? 
I agree that rich will be determined in different ways and that really is irrelevant.  My point is that a poor man will think like a poor man.

The path for the longshoreman to EARN the larger amounts of money will be HIS desire to earn more.  I'm not sure if the longshoreman idea was a real scenario or if it was plucked form the air, but I just googled their pay and it's anywhere from $13 to $19 per hour.  This looks like a tradesman type of job.  Wages for ironworkers (my trade) is $29 and some change for a journeyman ironworker, last I checked.  That is still poor wages here in Phoenix. 

So I told my boys to learn a trade but don't limit your education of business to only in the field/shop. Learn how the WHOLE trade works.  Estimating, project management, marketing, etc.  The longshoreman needs to do his research and notice his pay ceiling.  What can he do to earn more?  Become a foreman? Become a manager?  Start his own?  All of this will require this man to learn and to discipline himself.  If he is not aware of / care for his finances, then these will not be something on his mind.  Then one day he will find himself on the streets because he didn't look ahead, because he didn't care about his financial future.

I don't mean to sound elitist or harsh but something that is claimed to be important needs to be considered, IE money.  If a man complains about people being rich, why not do what the rich do?  But his problem is not about making money, it's his mentality and the excuses he will make about why he can't compete.

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Or the government could give them by taxing the rich
Or the government could start a fund directly from the bleeding hearts of Americans that want the poor to have more money and YOU could give to that cause.

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I prefer the rich to be the ones to pay money.

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I prefer the rich to be the ones to pay money
LOL.  Of course.

See my "poor man's mentality" in action.  It's the rich's fault that I don't have money and since I can't control the rich, I don't/can't have any money.  Curse the rich! (but not too bad so they become poor like me, I still want their money to flow in).

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I guess you gave up.
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I guess you gave up.
Not really.  Just didn't have anything different to say other than "nuh-uh!"

Actually, how about YOU become rich?!  Then you can be rich AND give to those in need?  A win-win!!

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Actually, how about YOU become rich?!  Then you can be rich AND give to those in need?  A win-win!!
Recommending impossible solutions isnt a win win.
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Recommending impossible solutions isnt a win win
Impossible in what way?  

There are over 22M millionaires in America.  Stats say that around 80% of those millionaires came from middle class families (I.E. didn't inherit the money).

So that's 17.6M people that say it is not impossible.

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As far as the poor people I've encountered, I haven't met one I think is poor because they "think like a poor person."
Also, let me clarify that I do know poor people who will remain poor because they are literally retarded or have low IQ's.  These people will stay poor and these are not the poor mentality I am referring.

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So that's 17.6M people that say it is not impossible.
Its not impossible for them.

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Its not impossible for them.
But it is impossible for you?  Why?
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But it is impossible for you?  Why?
Contrary to popular belief, not all people have same abilities.
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Stats say that around 80% of those millionaires came from middle class families
The only source I found on this was a self-reporting survey, so I think you might want to lower your estimate. It wouldn't surprise me if some of these people were reporting as "middle-class" falsely either mistakenly or because they wanted to feel better about their achievements.

Contrary to popular belief, not all people have same abilities.
This is a self-defeating mentality. Aren't you the one who's trying everything to increase your IQ? Couldn't you apply that level of dedication to your finances, for instance? Granted, you're not everyone, but there are a lot of people who think, "I'll never have X, so why bother?", which is a mentality that leads to... never achieving X, even when it would have been within their reach.