Inheritance Cycle Mafia DP1

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That might be fair, but why didn’t you say that in Post #7?
I thought it was self-evident. Knowing and applying your own role doesn't help speculation as much as the possible characters do.
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Do you see any valid reason for him to not reveal his character at this point? The way I see it, that role can be extremely anti town, maybe can be pro town like you said, but the character and justification will do wonders for me especially being familiar with the series.
this is a fair point and I can see why Lunatic pushed this. The thing is, I would sooner believe Galbatorix is a town character than Wylted is scum. He claimed with no pressure at the slightest possibility of someone thinking his role is negative utility. This doesn’t look like a vallsy fake claim, it looks like learning from game to game
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Official Vote Count:

Cerulean (3/5) - Mharman, Wylted, Austin
Wylted (1/5) - Lunatic

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@Cerulean
I thought it was self-evident.
It really wasn’t.

Knowing and applying your own role doesn't help speculation as much as the possible characters do.
I wholeheartedly disagree. There are many aspects of any character that can be interpreted as different roles, and mods have been known to stretch justifications to make a character fit a certain role.

If I’m reading into what I think scum has, I’m reading into my own role. If it’s something that can hinder scum, I can reasonably assume they have something to counter.
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I think I've ended up with a pool of Austin, Casey, WF, Lunatic that I need to look through more closely. This is mostly off memory, though.

ADOL is full null, but if I were to angleshoot, I would suspect that Mafia would be pinged and replaced with more urgency. Either way, this slot is like an emergency button if we really can't decide.

Earth's role is pretty clearly real from how unique it is- that wouldn't cross my mind as a fake claim in a million years. As for whether it's Town or Mafia, I would call it Town both because I find it difficult to determine how the character would fit a Mafia team theme and because it's a role that's very likely to get policied and can't really be avoided.

I think Mharman's posting style this game has an energy that sort of resembles the Paper Mario game, so my impression there is Town.

WyIted is fine in my book (at least for now) just because I think Lunatic is super sketchy and was clearly trying to push there. If Town, I'm fairly confident on what the theme split actually is.

VTL Lunatic

Let's shake things up, hm? I don't like the way he behaved around WyIted and it makes sense if the split really isn't as simple as "Good vs. Evil."
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@Mharman
I wholeheartedly disagree. There are many aspects of any character that can be interpreted as different roles, and mods have been known to stretch justifications to make a character fit a certain role.
Agree to disagree? With a series like this where there's only maybe two dozen or so possible characters and even fewer that make sense with a theme split, you can get a reasonable sense of at least the vicinity of what might be in play.

And besides that, speculation isn't just about being right, this sort of thing can also be used for social reads, yes?
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@Cerulean
Agree to disagree? With a series like this where there's only maybe two dozen or so possible characters and even fewer that make sense with a theme split, you can get a reasonable sense of at least the vicinity of what might be in play.
Not any more than what we could easily guess going into this game. We know it’s role madness, so mafia likely has a JOAT of some kind to counter all the roles town has. In most game mafia has a roleblocker so that should be a given, and they should have something to mess with investigative abilities. What else could you possibly get from there? All further speculation based on characters isn’t super reliable. Regardless, it should be noted that most people speculating with you, without that clarification, would be using their roles because it is the best method.

And besides that, speculation isn't just about being right, this sort of thing can also be used for social reads, yes?
I’ll give you that I guess.
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Official Vote Count:

Cerulean (3/5) - Mharman, Wylted, Austin
Wylted (1/5) - Lunatic
Lunatic (1/5) - Cerulean

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As for Lunatic, I can see why he pushed for more information out of Wylted. It’s always good to double check these things. I don’t remember how often Pie has an offbeat theme split, so I’ll flip through the archives rq. Regardless, Wylted’s justification tracks imo and I behaviorally read him as town. I feel like Wylted’s town behavior should be semi obvious, but Lunatic wanting to double check Wylted makes me think this may be town v town. I’m more confident in a townread of Wylted than Lunatic.
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I just got back, will catch up today.
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Lunatic wanting to double check Wylted makes me think this may be town v town. I’
I am not going after lunatic, giving him a hard time and haven't put him in my town pool. How would it be town vs town. It's just lunatic vs me. I have not come at him at all
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Approximately 3.5 hours remain
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Not what I mean.
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I am not going after lunatic, giving him a hard time and haven't put him in my town pool. How would it be town vs town. It's just lunatic vs me. I have not come at him at all
It was because I mentioned that I don't like Lunatic because of the way he pushed on you- I was sort-of implying a Mafia v. Town relationship, that's why it was mentioned.

Mhar, what is it that makes you think Lunatic is Town? It can't just be the double check on WyIted, because Mafia-Lunatic also has a strong incentive to do that, yes?
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It really is just the double check. I don’t see the incentive from the scum team pov.
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Oh there is his analysis on Earth’s claim too. Forgot about that for a sec 
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Sugar Bowl is starting, be back at halftime.

Go Irish.☘️ 
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@Mharman
Let's say you're Mafia-Lunatic and the theme split isn't "Good vs. Evil." If you think that a player has a character that would usually be considered "Evil," doesn't it make sense to try and force it out in a way that would put suspicion on that player?
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Alright, I'm at work and won't be on again after my break until the DP has ended. 

Cerulean pointing an FoS at Luna makes some sense to me, though he notably wasn't the first to point out his sudden pivot to Wylted. I can see town Luna doing that tbh, the only part I don't like much is his lack of commentary on Ceru's character claim. I don't want to push for another claim however, especially not this late, and it's still not enough to make me vote for Luna over Cerulean. 

Cerulean is still effectively at L-1. I won't hammer him, but I'm not against his lynch today. 
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Im opposed to Cerulean's lynch. I don't think Town benefits from having my role confirmed. Maybe we should have lynched ADOL, but Cerulean seems inevitable. Ah well.
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I’m going to be around until the end of the DP. I’ve got my misgivings about the lynch on Cerulean, in part because I just don’t buy that he’d be this coy about his role if he was scum, especially with foreknowledge about two roles from questions to Pie. That being said, he’s the only feasible lynch on the table.

I can understand why Cerulean has his vote on Luna. But it’s not enough that he was baffled by WyIted’s claim or was considering a basic theme split. I don’t think the reasoning is substantive enough that we should bypass a claim and just lynch him, and given the short timeframe, we cant get through that discussion now. 

Unless someone can give me a good reason not to do so, I’ll trigger the auto-hammer before the DP ends. Right now, the only alternative I’m really considering is a no lynch, but I doubt many people would support that.

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Unless someone can give me a good reason not to do so,
How about the fact that three of you consecutively expressed concerns about chopping me? At least give me some time to reread and write a legacy.

Pie, how much time do we have?
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Well, not Casey, I suppose.
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How about the fact that three of you consecutively expressed concerns about chopping me? At least give me some time to reread and write a legacy.
I wouldn't have posted as I did if I wasn't giving you and others time to make a case/add whatever you wished.
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Pie, how much time do we have?
Approximately 1.5 hours remaining 
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I really don’t think scum has an easy way of guessing that.
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I can give him time

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I unvoted and about 1 hour and 15 minutes remain