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@Lunatic
Potential CCs for one there is probably a lot of room for fake claims if these books have a ton of characters but I don't know just the off chance of something like that.
It's not something I want to fight over so if there is any amount of pressure I am willing to divulge as not to be distracting. It's just a preference thing
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@Lunatic
I don't have to use earth but his role is pretty anti town. My goal is to find another anti town role or maybe a vanilla and target them next.
Targeting scum would be useful as well tbh
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@Lunatic
Ngl sounds kind of like galbatorix forcing murtagh to work for him since he knows his true name, IE maybe knowing someones true name means he can wipe their role or something.
Damn I just looked back at my character because I forgot the name and I guess if you can work this out than scum will avoid claiming it anyway. I am Galbotorix and the role is what I said it was. The justification is because dude twists minds or something like that.
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@WyIted
Can't tell if your being serious or not.
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@Lunatic
I am. You correctly guessed my character but I vanillaizs people whether I know their role or not
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@WyIted
Are you actually Galbatorix?
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@WyIted
You realize Galbatorix is the main antagonist in the series right?
Official Vote Count:
Cerulean (2/5) - Mharman, Wylted
Wylted (1/5) - Lunatic
Approximately 19 hours and 30 minutes remain
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@WyIted
What do you mean, "potential CCs"? If you are given a character, you can expect Pie not to be bastard a d also give that character to another player.
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@Lunatic
You realize Galbatorix is the main antagonist in the series right?
The PM called him a dark Lord and I highly doubt that pie only gave one member of town an antagonist if I got one. Also, yes I am seriously him.
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@Earth
Scum have been known to fake claim characters. Lunatics speculation doesn't annoy me and is fair game but that comment almost insinuating scum would never fake claim their character and get CCed is silly.
So either WyIted is Town and the theme split is something other than "Good vs. Evil" or WyIted is Mafia and hoping we just assume that. It would be a ballsy play.
I assume we're leaving the ADOL slot alone for now in the hopes that they get subbed out... or start existing?
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@WyIted
insinuating scum would never fake claim their character and get CCed is silly.
When scum have access to checks on if characters/roles exist, it seems unlikely. Especially for the early game.
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@Cerulean
Like a role that checks or what do you mean?
TBH I am 100% willing to believe that Pie would include the main antagonist of the series as a town character. In terms of modpsych, it seems like the sort of thing he'd do. The justification also checks out very well, and Vanillaizer is easily confirmable. I believe Wylted is very likely telling the truth.
Who are we going to lynch today? Because I don't want to lynch Wylted and there doesn't seem to be any momentum in favor of anyone else other than Cerulean. I'm not confident that Cerulean is scum, but I don't have a clear scumread on anyone else, and something about his behavior just feels off to me for some reason that I can't quite put my finger on.
I agree, we need to make a call and we're running out of time (there are just under 7 hours left, by my estimation). We have three claims on the table:
WyIted: Galbatorix - Compulsive Vanillaizer
Earth: Roran - Hammerer
Cerulean: Elva - weak investigative role
I do not wish to seek more information this DP, so I think we just have to make a call on this one. Both the Hammerer and Vanillaizer roles are confirmable, but note that neither of them are necessarily alignment-indicative. I wouldn't put it past Pie to have included a confirmable role for scum, though at least for now, I have little reason to suspect either of them and I'm not supporting either lynch.
That leave Cerulean's claim, which is a bit sus as was his decision to push for information through speculation on scum roles. It's also not in his meta to do this kind of thing as scum, though, and we've seen Cerulean's scum meta a couple of times now. He's kind of the default choice at this point, and personally I am averse to picking the default just because, but we don't have a lot of info outside of these three beyond some behavioral analysis, so I'll do what I can with that.
ADOL is as null as it gets given his absence. I hope he's getting replaced for next DP, but there's no basis for seeing him either way without a single post.
Luna is doing some pretty good analysis of the claims so far and I'm liking his responses for the most part. The only caveat to that is the lack of response on Cerulean's claim. He sussed him a bit for being a minor character and mentioned wanting to get Cerulean's claim to see if it would be a more major character than Cerulean believed, but since Cerulean claimed, Luna hasn't mentioned it once, instead shifting the focus to WyIted. I get that this was an effort to get WyIted's full claim, but I don't know why his interest in Cerulean suddenly dropped off. I'm leaning town on Luna, but it's not as strong of a lean as it was.
Casey's a stronger town lean. I like their analysis for the most part, particularly pointing back to their own Ace Attorney game and how it was designed as a basis for analyzing which characters could/should be in this game, and pointing out that Cerulean wasn't town in the Mayday Mafia game when they were already sussing Cerulean comes off as a genuine effort to kick the tires on their own suppositions. I could see a world in which there were on a team with Cerulean and so these efforts to derail a lynch would benefit them, but I don't buy that just yet.
Austin's also a decent town lean for me. His hinting at some knowledge on Earth's claim that slots him into town doesn't come off as something Austin would do as scum, though given that Earth is largely townread at this point, it's not the strongest indicator. I've seen him kick the tires more on Cerulean's idea of the mechanics of this game for scum than pretty much anyone, and while it's possible he's just playing a role here to make the suggestion look legitimate, it comes off as genuine.
That leaves Mharman, who I'm null on. I can see his points on Cerulean and I can't see these two as a likely scum team together. I think the argument he's making makes sense when it comes to what Cerulean could be doing, I just don't love that his position isn't really taking Cerulean's normal behavior as scum into account. Cerulean's decision to fish for information could be scummy, but it's also out of character for scum Cerulean. He also posted a very similar argument to the one Austin originally proposed about the why of it being scummy, and has since focused his attention there. The point's decent enough and it's a valid criticism of his methods this game, though I don't like that he's tunnelling based chiefly on that. The lack of posting since Cerulean partially claimed makes it harder to read him atm.
Wylted's char claim doesn't make me strongly lean one way or another, I do think that the themesplit probably wouldn't be that obvious. I think the way he claimed it was, on the whole, towny.
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@Casey_Risk
TBH I am 100% willing to believe that Pie would include the main antagonist of the series as a town character. In terms of modpsych, it seems like the sort of thing he'd do. The justification also checks out very well, and Vanillaizer is easily confirmable. I believe Wylted is very likely telling the truth.
Role confirmation =/= affiliation confirmation, just noting. Vanillaizer is most often a mafia-aligned role, I just townread Wylted behaviorally.
Cerulean not claiming despite time ticking down while also not actively scumhunting, doesn't make me comfortable. It's a strange lack of urgency considering we're heading towards what would be a mislynch from his pov if he's town.
Since he's been at L - 1, Cerulean has posted 4 times:
-Posted a wall of self-defense
-Explained why he isn't claiming
-Talked about mechanics/characters twice
It lacks the proactivity I would expect from a town Cerulean, at the very least I don't want to let him skate by throughout the day without so much as a claim. Barring that, I don't really scumread anyone else either.
VTL Cerulean
L - 1 WARNING
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@whiteflame
ADOL is as null as it gets given his absence.
I actually completely forgot he was even in this game. 💀
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@Casey_Risk
I actually completely forgot he was even in this game. 💀
*sigh* the only reason I remembered was that I looked at the count of players and realized I was one short with behavioral information.
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@AustinL0926
Role confirmation =/= affiliation confirmation, just noting. Vanillaizer is most often a mafia-aligned role, I just townread Wylted behaviorally.
That's true. Maybe the bad guy really is bad after all, but if Wylted is lying, I doubt he's lying about his role. That's all I'm saying.
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@AustinL0926
Since he's been at L - 1, Cerulean has posted 4 times:-Posted a wall of self-defense-Explained why he isn't claiming-Talked about mechanics/characters twiceIt lacks the proactivity I would expect from a town Cerulean, at the very least I don't want to let him skate by throughout the day without so much as a claim. Barring that, I don't really scumread anyone else either.
I think this is fair analysis, though I'll point out that I would also expect scum Cerulean to be more proactive than this. I can't recall a time when he was on the chopping block as scum where he just let it happen, even when his fake claim wasn't great and eventually got him lynched.
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@AustinL0926
Kinda, yeah. Most off meta, he feels different than his town game, it's a lot less proactive in behavioral analysis.
Yeah.
Luna's efforts would help town for sure, dunno why it wouldn't?
Not really the character list. I don’t think it’s super helpful. It’s all stuff anyone can look up, it doesn’t help read anyone.
I see his push on Wylted, that’s a bit more helpful, even if I’m not sure o agree with it.
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@Cerulean
My intention was that speculation would be based on characters that might be in play. For instance, Galbatorix, the main villain of the series, doesn't really show up until the later books- so that role could be something that grows stronger over time or activates in late-game.
That might be fair, but why didn’t you say that in Post #7?
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@AustinL0926
Since he's been at L - 1, Cerulean has posted 4 times:-Posted a wall of self-defense-Explained why he isn't claiming-Talked about mechanics/characters twice
Yesterday was a holiday and I'm at work right now, so you'll have to forgive my lack of full attention. But I've not got much to do at this exact moment, so I'll try and consolidate my thoughts.