Sorry, I was busy yesterday - I would've set aside an hour at the end of the night or so to give my thoughts, but I thought the OP said we had until Jan 5th, so catching up now.
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@ILikePie5
Is it possible to get an extension since the original OP had the wrong ending date? I think a lot of people, including me, were taking that as the ending date and it's not exactly fair that we have to rush the lynch because of that.
We dont have much time, but lets get Cerulean's character or maybe just lynch him. Be sure to get him to L-1 so my role triggers.
My main issue with Cerulean is it feels like he's not really reading people behaviorally, more just talking about mech or characters, which feels a lot different than how I remember him as town, e.g. in Mayday Mafia. Talking about game mechanics is fine, but there are some posts, like the odd one about "Earth might need to be a policy chop, or maybe not" without taking into account Earth's actual posting. It's a strange lack of curiosity.
A nightly vanillaizer is an extremely strong role for either alignment. I'm assuming it's real since it's verifiable. I think I've seen it more often as mafia-aligned, so if I buy into WIFOM I kinda don't think Wylted would so readily claim it. Then again, he has a reputation for ballsy plays as scum.
Regardless, if we just leash Wylted and force him to vanillaize either the scummiest player or most negative utility one each night, we're basically forcing the role to help town so I don't see a problem.
Outside of that, I think the way Wylted handled the claim and how he's been playing is pretty towny.
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@Mharman
Well to me it just looks like he’s finding stuff to say that doesn’t help much. That doesn’t really answer my question though. Do you still have the light sus on Cerulean from earlier?As for Lunatic, I read that as null because it doesn’t do all that much to help town imo. The only difference between he and Cerulean is that he isnt subtly asking others to out their roles, then looking for other stuff. I will say that I like what he saying about Earth earlier
Kinda, yeah. Most off meta, he feels different than his town game, it's a lot less proactive in behavioral analysis.
Luna's efforts would help town for sure, dunno why it wouldn't?
I'd VTL Cerulean for claim and as a placeholder vote in case I'm busy later today.
DO NOT PLACE ANOTHER VOTE, THIS WILL HAMMER CERULEAN.
Regardless of his alignment, hammering early = bad.
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@AustinL0926
My main issue with Cerulean is it feels like he's not really reading people behaviorally, more just talking about mech or characters, which feels a lot different than how I remember him as town, e.g. in Mayday Mafia. Talking about game mechanics is fine, but there are some posts, like the odd one about "Earth might need to be a policy chop, or maybe not" without taking into account Earth's actual posting. It's a strange lack of curiosity.
I see what you're saying and agree to an extent, though Cerulean notably wasn't town in Mayday Mafia.
I disagree hammering early is bad, and I would do it if I had a good reason to think cerulean is scum.
He should character claim though.
This statement about it being a side character. I haven't read the books and don't even know if mine would be considered side or a main, but isn't the whole issue literally just opinion.
For example in hunger games we can probably all agree that avox is a side character, but what about haymitch?
I think we would all struggle on whether to agree he is a side or main character
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@Cerulean
Has anyone here played Secret Hitler before? I promise this is relevant. I'll elaborate later.
When is later?
Due to New Years and a typo, I will grant a 24 hour extension. DP ends January 2nd at 6:30pm CST
Official Vote Count:
Cerulean (3/5) - Lunatic, Mharman, Austin
Due to New Years and a typo, I will grant a 24 hour extension. DP ends January 2nd at 6:30pm CST
Alright, good to know. With my headache pretty much gone now, I actually feel functional again. I'm not going to hammer Cerulean, but if we are going to push someone else for a claim at this point, I think he's our best option. I'm not super happy with him behaviorally, and his claim to be a minor character is inherently at least a little sus. Granted, that's always going to be true of anyone who claims a minor character, so it doesn't mean he's lying necessarily, but I still at least want to know his character.
His posts do seem a bit unnatural upon a reread
Cerulean (3/5) - Lunatic, Mharman, Austin
That... is a little surprising. Give me a few minutes to read back. Still have some time, thankfully.
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@Lunatic
@Mharman
@AustinL0926
@WyIted
I know its WIFOM, but I would do that as scum too if I was going into a theme I wasn't all too familiar with and didn't want to risk getting CC'ed by anyone. (Lunatic)
Except Mafia has access to checking roles/characters. I wouldn't be surprised if at least one major character was left open.
Since we’d obviously be basing our speculations on our abilities, we’d be unknowingly outing our roles. (Mharman)
My intention was that speculation would be based on characters that might be in play. For instance, Galbatorix, the main villain of the series, doesn't really show up until the later books- so that role could be something that grows stronger over time or activates in late-game.
which feels a lot different than how I remember him as town, e.g. in Mayday Mafia. (Austin)
I was Mafia in Mayday Mafia. There's admittedly not much of my meta for you to go off, here, since I haven't been Town in a few games.
This statement about it being a side character. I haven't read the books and don't even know if mine would be considered side or a main, but isn't the whole issue literally just opinion. (WyIted)
I very specifically presented a list from the wiki, then later responded to a list posted by Lunatic, confirming that my character is not on either.
When is later? (WyIted, re: Secret Hitler)
I talked more about this in Post 20. It was speculation that Mafia might not have full information about each other due to some aspects of characters that might be Mafia-aligned. Though, we ended up deciding that it's unlikely, I believe.
My character is Elva. My role is a weak investigative ability that I will not elaborate further on today.
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@Lunatic
@AustinL0926
@Cerulean
My character is Elva. My role is a weak investigative ability that I will not elaborate further on today.
Interesting. Austin and Luna, what do you two think about this claim?
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@Cerulean
I was Mafia in Mayday Mafia. There's admittedly not much of my meta for you to go off, here, since I haven't been Town in a few games.
OH yeah you're right. I have no idea why I misremembered that, kind of have egg on my face now.
unvote because half the reason for my suspicion was wrong and also because of claim.
We need more information. Let's bring in some more pressure
Vtl Cerulean
He is still at L1.
Admitting to a light investigation role still makes him prime target of the mafia. He may as well elaborate
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@Casey_Risk
Interesting. Austin and Luna, what do you two think about this claim?
Unsure. Still debating whether to push for a full claim.
Being a weak investigation role is kinda convenient because it gives him an excuse for not dying and if it's actually is weak, then there shouldn't be a huge problem with claiming.
His behavior is also still meh.
Official Vote Count:
Cerulean (3/5) - Lunatic, Mharman, Wylted
Catching up, will post after I do.
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@ILikePie5
Due to New Years and a typo, I will grant a 24 hour extension. DP ends January 2nd at 6:30pm CST
I appreciate the extension.
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@Cerulean
My character is Elva. My role is a weak investigative ability that I will not elaborate further on today.
I can't speak to the likelihood of this character being in the game, though I'd like to get some insight from Luna on that front. It seems as though she has some persistence in the story, despite her being relatively minor. I think I'd like more info on the investigative role as well, and I don't see much benefit to withholding at this point.
I don't see much benefit to withholding at this point.
The benefit is that it doesn't become completely worthless. It's something that Mafia can easily manipulate if they know what's going on.
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@WyIted
I claimed my ability unprompted and under zero suspicion. I would like to keep the character to myself for a bit.
What logic is there to hide your character when your role is revealed?
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@Casey_Risk
Hey everyone, I hope your new year is off to a better start than mine. I have a bad headache and just am not feeling that great right now. I'll try my best to be useful here.
yeah I had a splitting headache right after new years too, take lots of advil and feel better soon man
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@AustinL0926
A nightly vanillaizer is an extremely strong role for either alignment. I'm assuming it's real since it's verifiable. I think I've seen it more often as mafia-aligned, so if I buy into WIFOM I kinda don't think Wylted would so readily claim it. Then again, he has a reputation for ballsy plays as scum.Regardless, if we just leash Wylted and force him to vanillaize either the scummiest player or most negative utility one each night, we're basically forcing the role to help town so I don't see a problem.Outside of that, I think the way Wylted handled the claim and how he's been playing is pretty towny.
Do you see any valid reason for him to not reveal his character at this point? The way I see it, that role can be extremely anti town, maybe can be pro town like you said, but the character and justification will do wonders for me especially being familiar with the series. Ngl sounds kind of like galbatorix forcing murtagh to work for him since he knows his true name, IE maybe knowing someones true name means he can wipe their role or something. Thats why I think he wants to prove his role on earth since earth has already full claimed. knowing a character = knowing the name, and since he knows earths character he is hoping to use earth to prove himself. I know the theory seems wild, but it aligns with his actions and makes sense with why he wouldn't want to claim his character, especially now when theres the highest risk of CC