Inheritance Cycle Mafia DP1

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Me and my targets actions resolve simultaneously, pie just said. So their actions go through on the night they are vanillaized
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Alright, that makes more sense than the alternative given the lack of a specified RB in your PM.
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Anyway, I'm heading off for the night. Happy new year everyone!
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Approximately 21 hours remaining
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I thought we had more time?
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VTL Cerulean For claim
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I can buy Wylted’s claim

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I haven't been reading that thoroughly. Why is everyone wanting cerulean claim
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I see where you're both coming from on this front, though I'll note this is not necessarily the case. It would not be the first time I've seen some "speculate" on the existence of a set of roles that included their actual role in an attempt to deceive mafia
Where are you getting the idea of some plan like this from? To me, it just looks like Cerulean was fishing for role info, then went for some lesser info once that was rejected.

I also don’t understand the weird mechanics speculation- I would be shocked if any of he’s going on about is in this game. It feels completely useless to me.
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As I said, I wasn't sure. Objectively speaking, it's a specific enough mech post that it could go both ways, but my gut was telling me that the depth of thought going into it was pretty unlikely to come from a player who's already informed about the mechanics of mafia communication. That being said, the only possibility that I would consider explicitly scummy coming from Cerulean is if that mechanic is already in the game and Cerulean is just TMIing it, but I find that relatively unlikely in view of the "asking questions" thing in the OP, as mentioned earlier.
Well to me it just looks like he’s finding stuff to say that doesn’t help much. That doesn’t really answer my question though. Do you still have the light sus on Cerulean from earlier?


As for Lunatic, I read that as null because it doesn’t do all that much to help town imo. The only difference between he and Cerulean is that he isnt subtly asking others to out their roles, then looking for other stuff. I will say that I like what he saying about Earth earlier 
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Cerulean (2/5) - Lunatic, Mharman

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What is your character and justification for being a vanillizer?
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I haven't been reading that thoroughly. Why is everyone wanting cerulean claim
I want a cerulean claim because apparently he is a minor character, and as someone who is familiar with the series, there are enough "main" type characters for every of the 9 players in this game to be one. I think side characters are going to be a red flag for me, so I am curious what character he is. Chances are is character is more important in the series than he knows, maybe his researching makes him think its a side character, him claiming will clear that up however. 
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What is your character and justification for being a vanillizer?
I claimed my ability unprompted and under zero suspicion. I would like to keep the character to myself for a bit. 
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Was the OP mistaken, then? It says the DP ends Sunday, January 5th. Figured that was a very long DP.

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Where are you getting the idea of some plan like this from? To me, it just looks like Cerulean was fishing for role info, then went for some lesser info once that was rejected.
I'm pointing out that what he was doing doesn't necessarily feed info to scum, at least not in as straightforward a manner as you're saying. It would not be the first time someone had lied about their role in an attempt to get a CC on scum. Hell, I did that last game. The difference here is the focus on speculation about what roles could be in the game, but I don't think that dramatically changes things. I can see your perspective on what Cerulean could be doing here, but I also don't think he'd be this blatant about seeking out role info as scum. He tends to stay far more effectively under the radar.

I also don’t understand the weird mechanics speculation- I would be shocked if any of he’s going on about is in this game. It feels completely useless to me.
It's an odd mechanic to mention, even though I think it's still somewhat plausible. As you say, though, it's rather useless. I don't know how we could utilize this information even if it ends up being true.
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I'm still fine with getting at least a character claim out of Cerulean at this stage, if only to give Luna an opportunity to evaluate whether it makes sense to have it in this game or not. Given that Earth is apparently going to auto-hammer at L-1, I'm going to avoid putting more pressure on Cerulean at this stage and see how he responds to the existing pressure. If more is needed, I'll add my vote, but we're running shorter on time than anticipated.
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Was the OP mistaken, then? It says the DP ends Sunday, January 5th. Figured that was a very long DP.
Yes, it should say Jan 1st
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I'm pointing out that what he was doing doesn't necessarily feed info to scum, at least not in as straightforward a manner as you're saying. It would not be the first time someone had lied about their role in an attempt to get a CC on scum. 
I don’t see how’s baiting scum into any sort of CC. He literally just started the DP asking people to speculate on some roles. He didn’t ask people to reveal their roles, he asked people for their thoughts that would likely reveal something about their roles. Obviously scum isn’t gonna push for information too directly. That is completely different from what you did last game, where hid a power you had from scum in your claim.
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My point was and remains that I don't think this was a clearly negative utility choice on his part for town. I don't think it necessarily gives away roles town doesn't have, that depends on how straightforward everyone is in their speculation and in what they omit. Speculating on existing roles and leaving out that one of those roles is your own is one way to change up that dynamic: if scum believe a role is available because it's mentioned in that speculation and choose to claim it, then a CC is possible as a result. Maybe I'm wrong to believe that some people might do that. Maybe it wouldn't lead to a CC if they did.
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Hey everyone, I hope your new year is off to a better start than mine. I have a bad headache and just am not feeling that great right now. I'll try my best to be useful here.
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??? I think you’re reading this weirdly.

Post #7 from Cerulean is where the idea is floated that we all speculate on what scum has. Since we’d obviously be basing our speculations on our abilities, we’d be unknowingly outing our roles.

The only real chances town has to mislead scum here are to speculate something that mafia has that is not based on what the townie actually has, at which point the point of discussion is ruined. I highly doubt that we were all subversively being asked to mislead scum by speculating what they have based on what we don’t actually have. Simplest explanation is that he was just fishing for information.
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Well my year started out being scared as shit and walking into my uncles’ hotel room to make sure Uncle #2 was there (he drove to NOLA and met us as the airport).

He was on Bourbon Street for the new year. Thankfully he left hours before the guy in the truck came.
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Anyway, what do you think of the current situation with Cerulean. Also, what are your thoughts on Austin and Lunatic. I’m indecisive on them.
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I see your point, it's not the most straightforward way to utilize this. I'm fine with getting his claim for other reasons, but I'll consider this more after we get a response from him.
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Ok. 
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Anyway, what do you think of the current situation with Cerulean. Also, what are your thoughts on Austin and Lunatic. I’m indecisive on them.
It's a bit tough for me to think straight right now, but right from his very first post I felt like Cerulean might have been fishing for information. I'm not convinced he's scum, but he doesn't seem like a bad option for a lynch today.

As for Austin, I have a slight townread on him. His reasoning feels genuine to me. Not quite sure how to feel about Luna yet.
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I’ll post some reads when I get back from this round of golf.  I don’t know if I’ll be there for end of the DP since I’m going to a football game later today as well, but I’ll have the time in between to contribute I think