Inheritance Cycle Mafia DP1

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Fair though I mostly see the use of this list being to identify characters that are too "sidey" as being more likely suspect claims. There are only 9 players and there are at least that many main or big characters, probably a few I left out too. Characters not on that list will be a big red flag for me, assuming its just not a big one I forgot about.
That's a fair point, actually. I know when I was designing Ace Attorney Mafia, I didn't get to include all the main characters I wanted. Miles Edgeworth and Dick Gumshoe were both notable omissions, but all the characters I did include were at least fairly important characters. Ace Attorney just has a ton of characters, and from the looks of it, it seems like this series has a lot of characters as well. That makes Cerulean seem a bit more sus. 
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According to him its automatic right? If we lynch someone as normal, and get them to l-1 his role should automate.
Right, but he has to not already be on the wagon beforehand. 
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Keep in mind we have until january 5th so even with limited activity right now we aren't in a super huge rush. 
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That's a fair point, actually. I know when I was designing Ace Attorney Mafia, I didn't get to include all the main characters I wanted. Miles Edgeworth and Dick Gumshoe were both notable omissions, but all the characters I did include were at least fairly important characters. Ace Attorney just has a ton of characters, and from the looks of it, it seems like this series has a lot of characters as well. That makes Cerulean seem a bit more sus. 
What did Cerulean say? I missed it
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My character and role are also very closed tied together.

It might be worthwhile to say if our characters are on the "Important Characters" list here. I ask specifically because mine isn't. This might narrow some things down.
Oh I see it. Yeah this is a bit sus. I'd like a character claim in this case. Chance are it is a bigger character than he thought, but if it isn't that is a bit odd. Cerulean can you at least answer if your character is on my list?


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Keep in mind we have until january 5th so even with limited activity right now we aren't in a super huge rush. 
Oh yeah, you're right about that. I completely skipped over that line in the OP. Thanks for pointing that out. 
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Earth's role is a bit scary and can't really be verified as Town vs. Mafia aligned. But if it disables at Mylo/Lylo then I suppose it doesn't need to be a policy chop.

Oh I see it. Yeah this is a bit sus. I'd like a character claim in this case. Chance are it is a bigger character than he thought, but if it isn't that is a bit odd. Cerulean can you at least answer if your character is on my list?
Main Characters Likely to exist:

Main Protagonists:

Eragon: I would be surprised if Eragon wasn't in the game as he is literally the protagonist of the books. He's the first person to bind to a dragon since the fall of dragons.

Roran: Leader of the Caravahall resistence, Eragon's cousing. A complete Fvcking badass and my favorite character in the books. "Stronghammer". Wields a basic blacksmith hammer but destroys everything he comes into contact with. Doesn't have powers like Eragon to be a complete badass. 

Saphira: Eragon's dragon, can communicate with him telepathically. Can do basically anything a dragon can do. Likely in the game.

Brom: Brom is like the Gandalf of this series, there is a very high chance he is in the game. He teaches Eragon Magic, and mentors him. It's also later revealed that he is actually Eragon's father as a big plot twist. He dies fairly early on in the first book, but is still likely to be in the game with how prominent he is.

Arya: Eragon's love interest, she is the daughter of Queen Islanzadi.She accompanies Eragon through most of his adventures. I think she rejects him due to an age gap initially despite having feelings for him. She is  like 100s of years old of and hes literally a prebuscent teenager. She's a badass in combat too if I remember correctly. 

Big Side Characters:

Orik- King of dwarves

Oromis- Eragon's second mentor

Nasuada- Daughter of Ajihad, leader of the Varden after he father dies.

Angela- A Fortune telling time space and dimension traveling witch, who has a cat and gives Eragon a big hint to his future early in book 1. 
My character is not anywhere on that list.
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Unvote Earth

Hm hm hm... Where to go from here?
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Do you see any big harm in claiming it?
yes, the fact I think it could make me a utility lynch if there are no good suspects, which I think would be a mistake.
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yes, the fact I think it could make me a utility lynch if there are no good suspects, which I think would be a mistake.
pie is the one that usually pushes utility lynches and hes modding
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Okay so try to be on strong wagons. Problem aolved
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vtl ceru
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Being in a strong wagin doesn't matter if that wagon results in a mislynch. I'm in favor of Cerulean character claiming.
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Actually at this point Earth would be more of a utility lynch prior to lylo but don't do it.
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Fuck it. I think Earth claiming while normally dumb is smart here. I have to visit one person a night and who I visit gets vanillaized so I can just vanillaized Earth and he is no longer a liability assuming he is honest
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Fair though I mostly see the use of this list being to identify characters that are too "sidey" as being more likely suspect claims. There are only 9 players and there are at least that many main or big characters, probably a few I left out too. Characters not on that list will be a big red flag for me, assuming its just not a big one I forgot about.
It makes sense to list them as you have, and I agree with your basic reasoning here. While I would agree that there's at least a small red flag inherent to claiming a minor character (as Cerulean has softclaimed), I'd at least consider two factors that might result in a minor character being included. One, that Pie might have wanted a certain role in the game and had no good options for it among major characters. Given how tight the association is between characters and roles based on my own PM and what others have said of theirs, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if there was one minor character meant to fill a specific role. Two, Pie's likely to throw a curveball into the mix to keep things interesting, and having a minor character among town players would be right up his alley. That's a bit of modpsych and I'm not going to lean heavily on that view, but Cerulean's decision to out this in the same post where he was asking if anyone was among the major characters gives me a bit of a behavioral counter to said red flag.

I read this book series probably three or four times in my youth, but i'll admit it has been at least 10-15 years since I have read it so I am very foggy on the details. Paolini was my favorite author when I was like 16. 
Appreciate any and all insights all the same.
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I buy Earth’s claim.
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Fuck it. I think Earth claiming while normally dumb is smart here. I have to visit one person a night and who I visit gets vanillaized so I can just vanillaized Earth and he is no longer a liability assuming he is honest
So you're a compulsive Vanillaizer? Does it effectively Vanillize them immediately or is the effect delayed? I've seen a couple of variants that handle that differently.

This does make sense of your post claiming a negative utility role. I thought you were hinting at a negative utility component, but it looks like it's more of an issue of targeting correctly rather than some portion of it being harmful to town.

Also, I don't see how Earth claiming was dumb. He auto-lynches a target put at L-1. That's pretty important in case we end up pushing someone for a claim. I get that you see it as more beneficial to claim now that you have a target to Vanillaize that is negative utility to town, but it was always the right move.

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That's a bit of modpsych and I'm not going to lean heavily on that view, but Cerulean's decision to out this in the same post where he was asking if anyone was among the major characters gives me a bit of a behavioral counter to said red flag.
I know its WIFOM, but I would do that as scum too if I was going into a theme I wasn't all too familiar with and didn't want to risk getting CC'ed by anyone.
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I know its WIFOM, but I would do that as scum too if I was going into a theme I wasn't all too familiar with and didn't want to risk getting CC'ed by anyone.
Fair enough. I tend to think that games like this where scum can ask about two characters' presence in the game are more likely to feature scum taking what look like bigger risks with their claims, if only because they have a greater opportunity to do so at low risk. That's WIFOM as well, but I can see how they might reach your conclusion as well.

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Fair enough. I tend to think that games like this where scum can ask about two characters' presence in the game are more likely to feature scum taking what look like bigger risks with their claims, if only because they have a greater opportunity to do so at low risk. That's WIFOM as well, but I can see how they might reach your conclusion as well.

Yeah I think the last time I was scum in a pie game I waited until like mid game to ask about certain characters because I didn't want to waste it until it was time to claim. Not sure if  all scum teams operate similar to how we did or if some would just rip both questions off the bat, but I don't want to ignore the possibility they could be saving the questions for more claims for one of the scum while the other was wanting to go the safer route with a minor character. 
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Honestly the fact that Cerulean came up with the character claim idea doesn’t change much for me.

He literally went into the idea after being told roles were tied to characters. I think we kinda fell for it. 

The only wrench here is that claiming a non-main character off the rip would put him in the line of fire. Unless he was speculating there would be more people with side characters 
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, he would know such a soft claim is risky

Sent the post too soon
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It works immediately.  I have not asked if it resolves before their night action yet, but I assume bothe actions resolve simultaneously 
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Also.hopefully we can get agreement that anyone vanillaized, admits to it on their very first post the next dp. 
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It works immediately.  I have not asked if it resolves before their night action yet, but I assume bothe actions resolve simultaneously 
Worth checking on that. If it doesn’t say that it effectively RB’s your target, then their night action probably goes through and they’re Vanillaized at the end of the night phase.
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Also.hopefully we can get agreement that anyone vanillaized, admits to it on their very first post the next dp. 
Should hope that’s a given.
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Just asked