I don't have a good reason to claim at all just wanted to see if we can get some discussion.
Why's that? If our roles are closely tied to our characters, then it stands to reason that the evil players also have roles that are closely tied to their characters. So if we can peg some likely characters, we might get a good idea of what sort of evil roles there are to deal with.
Not sure what to make of Cerulean's speculation of scum potentially not having full info. It's an interesting idea and I'd be inclined to townread the depth of thought - it's a pretty complex connection to check a potential mafia character, check the character's info, and then extrapolate that to a complex mechanic. The thing that makes me hesitate is that it could be potentially a result of Cerulean actually being mafia and knowing about this mechanic, i.e. having more information than he should. I don't recall ever seeing this mechanic on DART, nor elsewhere. Cerulean, have you seen this mechanic before? What made you consider it in the first place?
Because pretty much any discussion of mechanics is inevitably going to give mafia information that I don't think we should give. For example, if I say "[X] means that [A, B, or C] might be in the game for mafia", I'm basically spewing myself as not having any of A, B, or C as my role.
You proposed the idea in Post #7 before any of that was said. The reason I don’t like the idea is because mafia can tell who has what roles based on what they speculate mafia might have.
Like I don’t get the point of saying he is negative utility but somehow it’s not sop
Question: It looked like you had an inkling of a sus on Ceruean of your own. Why townread him so quickly?Same with Lunatic. I didn’t think his post was all that alignment-indicative.
Alright i slept on it. I am Roran and I am the Hammerer. If someone if at:L-1, I automatically hammer them unless I am already on their wagon.
Since I was buying into this a bit, I'll expand on my own thought process as well.Don't ask me to find it (it's been a while), but I recall a game in which I was the Lone Wolf, which fits what Cerulean describes: a scum player who is not in scum chat and who both does not know who the other scum are (the remainder of scum don't know who they are, either). It's certainly not common, and I don't know what brought it to Cerulean's mind, but I can at least understand why he'd consider it based on that character description.I don't really buy the idea that Cerulean would give away this mechanic openly if it is in this game and he's scum, since he'd be drawing attention to subtle efforts to communicate between elements of the scum team. I could see this being an effort to draw attention away from other plays the scum team is making and sus players for perceived subtle cues in their posts, so at least for the time being, Cerulean's null to me.
I don't really buy the idea that Cerulean would give away this mechanic openly if it is in this game and he's scum, since he'd be drawing attention to subtle efforts to communicate between elements of the scum team.
As we've already discussed, however, it probably isn't in the game, so his idea about speculating on possible scum roles feels like it could be a distraction. Personally, I'm a bit ambivalent about Cerulean right now. His idea of scum having limited information might be genuine, sure, but he's good enough to fake it.
My role has a negative utility we might want to discuss a bit so I can be directed.I of course offer this so we can hopefully get some real conversation going
My role has a negative utility we might want to discuss a bit so I can be directed.Alright, would you consider it an SOP claim? Saying it's negative utility and saying that you want to "be directed" gives me a general idea of what's going on, but it doesn't tell me whether you have a strong reason to claim now. If not, then I don't know what kind of direction you're looking for.
Interesting. Justification?
Over time his name became widely known. Not sure where the Hammerer came from, but I guess Pie saw Stronghammer and wanted a Hammerer in his game.
If it is a fake claim, then it is an incredibly strong fake claim, we can evaluate based on behavior but for now earth is solidly in my town pile.
A list might be helpful, if only to give us some direction (I can base it off of the various "main character" lists I can find, though I'd probably have some omissions and inclusions that you wouldn't), but I think we should be careful about how much stock we put into it. I know I've been burned before by expectations of who should be in a given game based on their status in a given piece of media. Hell, I've used those expectations to my advantage as scum before.
I'd still like to make Earth prove himself today tbh.
