If Christianity was true, would you become a Christian?

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At what point does the Holy Spirit come into a person?
According to the New Testament, a person receives the Holy Spirit immediately upon believing in Jesus Christ as their Savior: Ephesians 1:13-14: "Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit"

How do you get the Holy Spirit to enter you?

The only thing necessary to receive the Holy Spirit is that you must have accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior. Once you've confessed Jesus as your Savior, God gives you the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 1:13). You don’t have to be a certain denomination, or be a pastor or evangelist to receive the Holy Spirit. Whether you have been a believer for 50 years or five minutes, you can receive the Holy Spirit right where you are, right now.
We don't get the Holy Spirit to enter us. He's God. He's not on a string. John 3:5-9 tells us that the Spirit goes where the Spirit desires. Not where we desire. He's like the wind. It blows where ever it pleases.  

God is not a man. God is sovereign. Ephesians 1:4 actually says God chose those whom he would save before the beginning of the world. Those whom he predestined. 

So again, you need to stop putting the horse before the cart. Faith is a gift of God. It is not the cause of salvation. We cant just drum up faith to believe in God. And part of the evidence for this truth is seen on this particular forum question. Look at the answers of those who are not Christians. The truth wouldn't convince them. That's what they all said. 
The apostle Paul clearly taught that we receive the Holy Spirit the moment we receive Jesus Christ as our Savior. First Corinthians 12:13 declares, “For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.”
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The apostle Paul clearly taught that we receive the Holy Spirit the moment we receive Jesus Christ as our Savior. First Corinthians 12:13 declares, “For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.”
Did you see who was doing the Baptising? And did you see who gave us the Spirit? This verses isn't saying what you think it is. 

Now how about you address some of my points and stop wasting your and my time?

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The apostle Paul clearly taught that we receive the Holy Spirit the moment we receive Jesus Christ as our Savior. First Corinthians 12:13 declares, “For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.”
Did you see who was doing the Baptising? And did you see who gave us the Spirit? This verses isn't saying what you think it is. 

Now how about you address some of my points and stop wasting your and my time?
Paul clearly taught we receive the Holy Spirit the moment we receive /accept Jesus Christ as our Savior.
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Repeating something doesn't make it true. 

Repeating something without adding something just affirms that you are stuck. 

Jesus said, and let me quote him, unless you are born again, you will by no means see the kingdom of heaven.  That clearly demonstrates that the Spirit regenerates the person - before they can even see - let alone believe.  So you need to refute Jesus and then we can discuss further. 
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Jesus said, and let me quote him, unless you are born again, you will by no means see the kingdom of heaven.  That clearly demonstrates that the Spirit regenerates the person - before they can even see - let alone believe.  So you need to refute Jesus and then we can discuss further. 
What did Jesus say about being born again?

In the New International Version of the Bible, John 3:3 reads: Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.” In the New Living translation, the verse reads: Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth, unless you are born again, you cannot see the Kingdom of God.”

What does it mean to be born again in Jesus?

Born again is a phrase used by many Protestants to describe the phenomenon of gaining faith in Jesus Christ. It is an experience when everything they have been taught as Christians becomes real, and they develop a direct and personal relationship with God.

A born-again Christian is someone who has repented of their sins and turned to Christ for their salvation, and as a result has become part of God's family ...
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What did Jesus say about being born again?

In the New International Version of the Bible, John 3:3 reads: Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.” In the New Living translation, the verse reads: Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth, unless you are born again, you cannot see the Kingdom of God.”

What does it mean to be born again in Jesus?

Born again is a phrase used by many Protestants to describe the phenomenon of gaining faith in Jesus Christ. It is an experience when everything they have been taught as Christians becomes real, and they develop a direct and personal relationship with God.

A born-again Christian is someone who has repented of their sins and turned to Christ for their salvation, and as a result has become part of God's family ...
You keep putting the cart before the horse. 

How can someone see the kingdom of heaven if they haven't been born again?   When one is born again by the Spirit of God, then their eyes are open to believe and repent and follow Jesus.  One cannot believe something one cannot see. One cannot repent for sins that they don't believe they've committed. One cannot turn to God or to Jesus if you don't already have the Spirit to believe. It is the work of the Spirit to regenerate us. And then our eyes are opened and we can see that we are sinners and need to turn to him in repentance. As Acts tells us - to them God granted repentance. 

Faith is the result of being saved - or being regenerated. It is a gift of God to the individual. A gift that causes them to believe. Salvation belongs to God, it doesn't belong to us. God saves us. We don't save our selves.  You are demonstrating a lack of understanding of the historic church. And putting yourself outside of the church and its teachings. 

You need to read Augustine, Luther, and Calvin.  Read the Council of Chalcedon Creed. Your position is the same as Pelagius. Someone declared by the historic church to be outside of the church and a heritic. It is at odds with much of the American culture of Christianity. It is because it is not based on the individualism of the West, but on the covenantal culture of the Middle East. 
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Faith is the result of being saved - or being regenerated. It is a gift of God to the individual. A gift that causes them to believe. Salvation belongs to God, it doesn't belong to us. God saves us. We don't save our selves.  You are demonstrating a lack of understanding of the historic church. And putting yourself outside of the church and its teachings. 
What did Jesus teach about faith?
“Everything is possible for one who believes.” (John 11:25-26) Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; and whoever lives by believing in me will never die.

How does Jesus define faith?
The closest that the Bible comes to offering an exact definition is Hebrews 11:1 – “Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.” From this particular passage we see that the central feature of faith is confidence or trust.

How is salvation granted?
According to the Bible, all humans are born with a sinful nature and are separated from God. However, through faith in Jesus Christ, we can be saved from our sins and reconciled with God. This salvation is described as a gift from God that cannot be earned through good deeds or actions, but only through faith.


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Faith doesn't earn us salvation. It doesn't give us salvation. But the person without faith will not be saved. It is a gift.  You are saved by grace through faith. And that is a gift. 

Of course everything is possible for a person who believes. But for the person who has no faith or does not believe - it is not possible. And in your view - a person without faith cannot suddenly become a man of faith by himself. He needs the Spirit of God to regenerate him and give him faith. And then he will believe. 


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Faith doesn't earn us salvation. It doesn't give us salvation. But the person without faith will not be saved. It is a gift.  You are saved by grace through faith. And that is a gift. 

Of course everything is possible for a person who believes. But for the person who has no faith or does not believe - it is not possible. And in your view - a person without faith cannot suddenly become a man of faith by himself. He needs the Spirit of God to regenerate him and give him faith. And then he will believe. 
To begin with you have to have belief in Jesus.

What do we need to believe about Jesus?
What Does It Mean to Believe in Jesus? 
This means acknowledging that he is not just a good teacher or a prophet, but rather he is the Savior of the world who came to give his life for us. By believing in Jesus as the Son of God, confessing and repenting of our sins, we can experience the forgiveness and salvation that he offers.

What did Jesus teach about faith? By simply believing in Jesus everything is possible.
“Everything is possible for one who believes.” (John 11:25-26) Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; and whoever lives by believing in me will never die.

How is salvation granted?
According to the Bible, all humans are born with a sinful nature and are separated from God. However, through faith in Jesus Christ, we can be saved from our sins and reconciled with God. This salvation is described as a gift from God that cannot be earned through good deeds or actions, but only through believing in Jesus.

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Christianity was invented and made up by man. Jesus didn't start it, God didn't start it. We can learn in scripture what God started from the foundation of the world.
Can you elaborate on this statement?
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Christianity was invented and made up by man. Jesus didn't start it, God didn't start it. We can learn in scripture what God started from the foundation of the world.
Can you elaborate on this statement?

When was Christianity created?
first century CE
Christianity developed in Judea in the mid-first century CE, based first on the teachings of Jesus and later on the writings and missionary work of Paul of Tarsus. Originally, Christianity was a small, unorganized sect that promised personal salvation after death.

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Yes , we read in the book of Ephesians 1 , what God started , ordained as a faith for man. No where in there did we read about the religion of Christianity. Therefore it came about through man, hence all the branches, sects and denominations of it to include Catholicism.
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Amen and Amen.
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Yes , we read in the book of Ephesians 1 , what God started , ordained as a faith for man. No where in there did we read about the religion of Christianity. Therefore it came about through man, hence all the branches, sects and denominations of it to include Catholicism.
When was Christianity created?
first century CE
Christianity developed in Judea in the mid-first century CE, based first on the teachings of Jesus and later on the writings and missionary work of Paul of Tarsus. Originally, Christianity was a small, unorganized sect that promised personal salvation after death.

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Yes , we read in the book of Ephesians 1 , what God started , ordained as a faith for man. No where in there did we read about the religion of Christianity. Therefore it came about through man, hence all the branches, sects and denominations of it to include Catholicism.
True, but wasn't Jesus wanting people to follow him hence "drink his blood, eat his flesh", "disciples of all men"?  Therefore, we can say that Jesus did want people to group and follow his teachings.

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Christianity was invented and made up by man. Jesus didn't start it, God didn't start it. We can learn in scripture what God started from the foundation of the world.
Jesus was the central figure in Christianity. Jesus had to be accepted to be a Christian. So Christianity started with Jesus.

How can I become a Christian?

This is the best part. Because of His love for us, God has made it exceedingly simple to become a Christian. All you have to do is receive Jesus as your Savior, fully accepting His death as the sufficient sacrifice for your sins (John 3:16), fully trusting Him alone as your Savior (John 14:6; Acts 4:12). Becoming a Christian is not all about rituals, going to church, or doing certain things while refraining from other things. Becoming a Christian is all about having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. A personal relationship with Jesus Christ, through faith, is what makes a person a Christian.

Are you ready to become a Christian?

If you are ready to become a Christian by receiving Jesus Christ as your Savior, all you have to do is believe. Do you understand and believe that you have sinned and are worthy of judgment from God? Do you understand and believe that Jesus took your punishment upon Himself, dying in your place? Do you understand and believe that His death was the sufficient sacrifice to pay for your sins? If your answers to these three questions are yes, then simply place your trust in Jesus as your Savior. Receive Him, by faith, fully trusting in Him alone. That is all it takes to become a Christian!

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You can turn Shila off by not becoming a Christian.
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It started whenever it did.
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It started whenever it did.

Jesus was the central figure in Christianity. Jesus had to be accepted to be a Christian. So Christianity started with Jesus.
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Yes , all the ones the Father gave him to raise up on the last day I believe the scripture says.
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Christianity was started by man, not Christ. 

Also the scripture say you have to become a new creature in Christ. There are many that call themselves Christians but are actually not born again.

Jesus himself said you have to be born again. He didn't even say you have to receive him and that's it.

See, right there what you're saying, that's Christianity. That's not what Jesus started at all.

If you're not born again, you will not enter the kingdom of God.
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I think you are splitting hairs here in regards to the actual name of Christian.  The term "Christian" literally means "of Christ" and the name was coined to them that followed Christ's teachings.  The church was started by God and not man, but the name "Christian" was not coined by God.
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I think you are splitting hairs here in regards to the actual name of Christian.  The term "Christian" literally means "of Christ" and the name was coined to them that followed Christ's teachings.  The church was started by God and not man, but the name "Christian" was not coined by God.
Jesus was the central figure in Christianity. Jesus had to be accepted to be a Christian. So Christianity started with Jesus.
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Jesus was the central figure in Christianity. Jesus had to be accepted to be a Christian. So Christianity started with Jesus.
Agree.  The term Christian started because of Jesus.  If there was no Jesus, there would be no Christians.
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Jesus was the central figure in Christianity. Jesus had to be accepted to be a Christian. So Christianity started with Jesus.
Agree.  The term Christian started because of Jesus.  If there was no Jesus, there would be no Christians.

What did Jesus say his purpose was?
Jesus said, "For the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost." "Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners." "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

What is Christianity’s mission?
to teach, baptise, and nurture new believers; to respond to human need by loving service; to seek to transform unjust structures of society, to challenge violence of every kind, and to pursue peace and reconciliation; to strive to safeguard the integrity of creation and sustain and renew the life of the earth.

Jesus purpose was to offer salvation and eternal life. But Christians mission is diagonally opposed focusing instead to sustain and renew the life of the earth.
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Jesus purpose was to offer salvation and eternal life. But Christians mission is diagonally opposed focusing instead to sustain and renew the life of the earth.
You cannot compartmentalize the salvation of a soul and the life that now lives differently.  When a man decides to live for God, God will change his heart.  He is now wanting to makes things around him better and we are called to do good works.  How far does that extend is dependent on the person, but for sure it should effect your family, marriages, church and neighborhood.  
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I'm not speaking so much to regarding Christians. I make the distinction to that and Christianity, a man made organization.
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Jesus purpose was to offer salvation and eternal life. But Christians mission is diagonally opposed focusing instead to sustain and renew the life of the earth.
You cannot compartmentalize the salvation of a soul and the life that now lives differently.  When a man decides to live for God, God will change his heart.  He is now wanting to makes things around him better and we are called to do good works.  How far does that extend is dependent on the person, but for sure it should affect your family, marriages, church and neighborhood.  
If Jesus wanted to live for God and to do good works to make things around him better. Why did God send him to die after just 3 years in his ministry? Jesus could have done so much more alive than dead.
Jesus was a house keeper in heaven preparing rooms for guests.

John 14: 2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 4 You know the way to the place where I am going.”

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If christianity were true, then all the religions would be false, which means more than 2/3 of the world population would go to hell.

That'd be the most fvcking stupid and unjust statement that someone would ever say.