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@RemyBrown
Blocked.
This has to be the equivalent of covering your ears in order to win an argument.
Question to all MAGA people
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@FLRW
Remy's IQ, like yours, is over 130.
If true I am not sure why he struggles to avoid false dilemma and strawman arguments. While I likely use strawman myself they are to force somebody to elaborate. He seems to actually believe it when he uses them. I guess there could be a maturity issue. I know it's not easy to overcome some cognitive distortions but false dilemma should be easy
You have no good reasons to back Trump regardless of race. You like his vibes; you are not a race traitor, but you only like his vibes. But vibes don't matter, like at all. He could murder someone and you'd be fine with it. That's called being in a cult.
Lol I’m blocked, yet you’re still responding to me. Sounds like cult behavior to me
Eh you guys fight each other over nothing lol
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@ILikePie5
I like Remy's retarded logic. He sees me openly support Luigi because he murdered somebody and then asks
"Would you support Trump if he murdered somebody"
Is he retarded? I supported a literal communist for doing a murder. Obviously I would support a person whose ideology I agree with
Me: I post 10 threads supporting an assassin
Remy: I am going o see if he would support a murderer by tricking him with A Trump question.
Bro I admitted it. No need to trick me LOL
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@WyIted
Big brain logic lol
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@WyIted
Me: I post 10 threads supporting an assassinRemy: I am going o see if he would support a murderer by tricking him with A Trump question.Bro I admitted it. No need to trick me LOL
He tried to trick you an eleventh time. You look like you would have fallen for his trickery.
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@RemyBrown
Well, personally I voted for Hillary, Third party, and Third Party, the last few Trump elections.
1. If Trump shot someone, then would you still vote for him?
Maybe, needs context.
2. What if Trump said he could shoot someone and not lose voters? Would you still vote for him?
Maybe.
What people say, isn't always what they do,
Some person might say they're going to kill someone in a fight, but they don't mean that literally.
Some people might brag about their support, to the point they claim they could shoot someone in the street, doesn't mean they 'are going to shoot someone in the street.
Who I vote for, depends who Trump is running against.
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@Savant
Based on recent events, it would seem that being responsible for a thousand deaths is at least as bad as shooting someone in the street.
I don't agree with this. I am responsibel for the death of thousands of children by not adopting them. Killing and letting die are different to me.
What if they said they were going to start a war or implied they might draft people if it came to it?
Then I (probably) would critisize them on the war, but I have to hear their case for why they want the war and see if it makes sense. The, "Country X is our ally" argument isn't good because the left says it with Ukraine, the right says it with Israel, and neither says it about the other country, so it's just the tribes rooting for their team.
Given that Trump is a draft dodger, we can assume he's opposed to the draft
Being a draft dodger is only ok if you're anti war. If you dont want to fight and possibly die in a war and want that for other people as well (and you don't start any offensive wars when you're in office), then it's fine. But if you would dodge the draft for yourself but expect others to have to fight your wars, then it's hypocritical.
Like, if there was a draft to fight a war in a foreign country, then I would dodge it (but I wouldn't institute a draft if I became the POTUS). I'm anti war, so it's ok if I dodge a draft. Trump is not anti war, so it's not ok for him to dodge the draft.
If Kamala or a Democrat said "Trump could shoot someone and not lose voters,"
If Harris said that Harris could shoot someone and not lose any voters, then I could tell she's trying to run a cult and I would cut ties instantly. Kindof like when Ye said, "I could say anti semetic shit and they can't drop me", if I found anti semetic speech as horrible as murder, then I would cut ties with Ye over that just like Nike and Adidas did.
What I would tell people who I know highly respect me is, "I can say anything within the overton window and they would eat it up.". The difference is views within the overton window aren't bad views.
It's not Trump's fault his supporters love him so much.
It is; he wouldn't market himself the way he does if he didn't want people to love him.
If he wants fans, then stay on the apprentice or become a rapper. You could be a vile white nationalist; if you're just a rapper, it doesn't matter.
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@Savant
This has to be the equivalent of covering your ears in order to win an argument.
It depends on how you define, "Winning".
If it's a formal debate and people vote where you can objectively tell who won, then that's not possible on fourms.
If it's the other person conceding, then I've learned that's impossible. It's like trying to convince a rabbi that Judaism is false. He's not changing his mind.
MAGA is a religion for most of it's supporters and it should be treated as such.
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@Lemming
1. If Trump shot someone, then would you still vote for him?Maybe, needs context.2. What if Trump said he could shoot someone and not lose voters? Would you still vote for him?Maybe.What people say, isn't always what they do,Some person might say they're going to kill someone in a fight, but they don't mean that literally.Some people might brag about their support, to the point they claim they could shoot someone in the street, doesn't mean they 'are going to shoot someone in the street.Who I vote for, depends who Trump is running against.
- What situations would you refuse to vote for Trump for if #1 were to happen?
- I will analyze these situations:
What people say, isn't always what they do,
Then why say it (unless you take the statement back)?
Some person might say they're going to kill someone in a fight, but they don't mean that literally.
Trump was not in a street fight recently.
Some people might brag about their support, to the point they claim they could shoot someone in the street, doesn't mean they 'are going to shoot someone in the street.
When Ye said, "I could say anti sematic shit and they won't drop me", he was dropped pretty instantly. If he took back his statement and said he was exaggerating, then it would be fine. Trump never did that.
Who I vote for, depends who Trump is running against.
Everybody who Trump runs against in the general Trump will claim is a far left radical woke communist and his base will automatically believe it. He said it about Biden; he said it about Harris. He could have been running against RFK when he won the primary and he would have called RFK a far left communist.
Well, personally I voted for Hillary, Third party, and Third Party, the last few Trump elections.
I know you made this big response as to why; I'd want you to find the link if you could and post it here. I don't think it would be fair to have you re type it all.
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@RemyBrown
1.
Maybe Trump shot someone in self defense, or as an accident.
Are you saying what if Trump did something like walk up to a Healthcare CEO and shot them?
Well yeah, at that point he might lose my vote, still depends on his opponent though.
2.
No, I'm not going to take it back.
Hyperbole exists, exaggeration, grandstanding, playing to the crowd, saying offensive stuff to get a rise out of people.
I imagine he said it to revel in his power, or to play the crowd.
He 'still understands I imagine, that shooting a person would cost him some voters, it not result in prison time.
Trump doesn't need to be in a street fight, for me to understand by the example, of how humans socially use language.
Who is Ye? Kanye West? Well maybe Kanye isn't as popular as he thinks.
And maybe people took his claim more seriously as something he might do.
Maybe corporations trying to make money, are different than human voters.
3.
I did not like Biden, I did not like Harris.
I do not like the Left in general lately.
4.
1st Election
I voted for Hillary because I viewed Trump as an untested idiot.
I viewed Hillary as having a long career in government and familiarity and closeness with the position of president.
I liked how her husband handled the economy when he was President, though I disliked his Gun policies.
2nd Election
Later on, I've just 'really come to dislike the Left and various Left Social Movements in America.
But I still didn't like Trump very much, too divisive a person.
Covid is bad, Trump 'might have done a better job with that, but I am uncertain.
But I couldn't bring myself to vote Left, considered voting for Trump, but voting third party keeps me on more friendly terms with my family.
3rd Election
Still 'really dislike the Left, even more now, as I dislike a number of Biden's policies.
The economy is bad, but I'm not convinced that's Bidens fault.
But I 'really don't like the Left, bunch of (Profanity redacted). I don't like their policies or their movements.
I don't like their stands on Immigration, Guns, Abortion, Race, Sex.
I expect Harris to win, don't want to vote for her, Wasn't impressed by her history or her campaign.
Consider voting for Trump, but eh, voting third party keeps me on more friendly terms with my family.
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@Shila
So the voters voted yes to both your prepositions.
Never end a sentence with prepositions.
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@Lemming
You know what, you are the only Trump supporter on here who I think is gettable, so I'll respond to your points.
Maybe Trump shot someone in self defense, or as an accident.
This is acceptable for Trump to do. I'm not going to hate someone for genuine accidents. Now, you should prove it's an accident in court, but if you're able to do that, then I'd acquit you.
Are you saying what if Trump did something like walk up to a Healthcare CEO and shot them?Well yeah, at that point he might lose my vote, still depends on his opponent though.
Who's the opponent? Lets say Trump ran against literal Stalin. You could just vote 3rd party and I'd respect it. I voted 3rd party in 2020 and 2024 (libertarian both times).
Hyperbole exists, exaggeration, grandstanding, playing to the crowd, saying offensive stuff to get a rise out of people.
Comedians can do that and we know they're joking. Politicians are serious.
And maybe people took his claim more seriously as something he might do.Maybe corporations trying to make money, are different than human voters.
Why take Ye seriously and not Trump? Trump's a POTUS contender. Ye is just a rando artist with bipolar. I would take Ye less seriously than Trump.
I did not like Biden, I did not like Harris.I do not like the Left in general lately.
I don't like them either, but their crazy is disagreement; Trump's crazy is insanity. It's not even comparable.
Later on, I've just 'really come to dislike the Left and various Left Social Movements in America.
Which social movements are you referring too?
Still 'really dislike the Left, even more now, as I dislike a number of Biden's policies.
Which ones?
The economy is bad, but I'm not convinced that's Bidens fault.
So then why blame Biden for it? If a snowstorm comes where it's -10 F out, it's bad, but not a politician's fault, so don't blame them.
I don't like their stands on Immigration, Guns, Abortion, Race, Sex.
Why not?
Voting 3rd party is fine; but it seems obvious to prefer Harris to Trump.
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@Sidewalker
So the voters voted yes to both your prepositions.Never end a sentence with prepositions.
Let's just cut to the chase: you absolutely can end a sentence with a preposition! The “rule” that says you can't really has no basis in actual writing. In fact, major style guides often consider this “rule” to be wrong and state that it is fine to end sentences with prepositions.
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@Lemming
What would you say your consistent morality is? Like, what policies do you want your politicians to enact?
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@Lemming
What people say, isn't always what they do,Some person might say they're going to kill someone in a fight, but they don't mean that literally.Some people might brag about their support, to the point they claim they could shoot someone in the street, doesn't mean they 'are going to shoot someone in the street.
Trump is different. The former president's most disturbing statements are not bluster. They are a road map to what he will do if elected again.
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@Shila
So the voters voted yes to both your prepositions.Never end a sentence with prepositions.Let's just cut to the chase: you absolutely can end a sentence with a preposition! The “rule” that says you can't really has no basis in actual writing. In fact, major style guides often consider this “rule” to be wrong and state that it is fine to end sentences with prepositions.
Where did you read that at?
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@RemyBrown
Killing and letting die are different to me.
Rejecting legitimate claims is illegal and in violation of contract. If I intentionally cause my employees to die because I know the fine will cost less than safety measures, I'd be killing them.
Being a draft dodger is only ok if you're anti war.
Trump hasn't instituted a draft, and he's less pro-war in Ukraine than the Democrats.
I can say anything within the overton window and they would eat it up.
That's a comment on his supporters, and it's the job of a politician to have supporters. Getting people to have cult-like loyalty is weird, but it's not the same as using that loyalty to then shoot someone in the street.
he wouldn't market himself the way he does if he didn't want people to love him.
Every politician wants people to love them, see above.
MAGA is a religion for most of it's supporters and it should be treated as such.
You can just stop responding to MAGAs then. Unless you hate getting pinged that much, blocking them doesn't accomplish much since they can still respond to you, you just won't be tagged.
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@Sidewalker
Never end a sentence with prepositions.Let's just cut to the chase: you absolutely can end a sentence with a preposition! The “rule” that says you can't really has no basis in actual writing. In fact, major style guides often consider this “rule” to be wrong and state that it is fine to end sentences with prepositions.Where did you read that at?
Thesaurus.com
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@Savant
Rejecting legitimate claims is illegal and in violation of contract.
It is illegal to do this.
If I intentionally cause my employees to die because I know the fine will cost less than safety measures, I'd be killing them.
In that situation, you're correct. People expect safe working conditions at an office; they don't expect safe working conditions on the battlefield. Everyone knows the military is dangerous; if you don't want to risk getting your limbs blown off, then don't join the military.
Trump hasn't instituted a draft, and he's less pro-war in Ukraine than the Democrats.
This is true, but he wants war with Mexico (Why Trump and other Republicans want to go to war in Mexico | Vox). He says it's, "to take out the cartels" much like the war in Iraq was to, "take out ISIS". At least Ukraine is far enough away and all we're doing is sending money; Mexico is right next door!
Getting people to have cult-like loyalty is weird, but it's not the same as using that loyalty to then shoot someone in the street.
The cult like loyalty lets you get away with shooting someone on the street.
You can just stop responding to MAGAs then. Unless you hate getting pinged that much, blocking them doesn't accomplish much since they can still respond to you, you just won't be tagged.
Yeah; I don't want people who are unwilling to change their minds in my feed. Arguing with them is pointless. This is different from me. If Trump does policy X, then MAGA DART member immediately backs policy X; I want to see what policy X is first, think it over, and then if I agree, then I back it. I believe Trump is racist so I won't vote for him, but if policy X is, "get us out of Ukraine", then I'll agree with Trump there.
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@RemyBrown
Well, I don't really consider myself a Conservative,
I dislike a lot about them as well.
I'd vote for Trump over Stalin,
While Trump by his vague policies and directions 'did put illegal immigrants in camps, and separate illegal immigrant families (Both actions anger me)
Trump hasn't put 'Americans in camps. As Stalin put Russians in Siberia, not to mention all the people Stalin personally ordered shot or erased.
Sure I can imagine Trump 'fantasizing about being a Dictator, but he hasn't 'managed it yet, and I think it unlikely he 'could manage it in America.
Also Stalin's a Communist.
Maybe Trump 'really thinks he could shoot someone in the street without consequences, but I doubt it. I don't see why politicians can't use hyperbole.
Though I admit they 'can be serious, and I am not fond of it's use by politicians.
Well Kanye had that zipper gimp mask thing he was doing, as well as a past history of making controversial comments.
Trump hasn't shot anyone in the past, and it just 'seems an absurd action that would be damaging to him, far more than other small absurd small damaging actions and speeches of his.
If Trump said he was going to mock a reporter, I would take him seriously.
It's not as though Trump even said he was 'going to shoot someone. It's just him making an *** claim to stroke his ego and strut in front of other people, to mock his opposition.
I don't think Trump is crazy, though he has a lot of issues I would criticize.
He has not appointed his horse to the senate.
Off my head, I'm not very fond of the,
Defund the Police Movement,
Anti Gun Movement,
Trans the Children Movement,
Trans in Sports Movement,
Immigration Movement,
Include Everyone for the sake of Diversity Movement.
I didn't like Biden trying to excuse College Student Debt, though I would not be against him trying to reform College costs.
I was uncertain about his Covid Policies, though I did not have a solution myself.
I didn't like his policies on guns, especially when he ran he said he wasn't going to go after them.
I don't 'necessarily blame Biden for the Economy.
Harris is part of the Left, whose policies I dislike, I also wasn't impressed by her campaign.
Though I thought she was going to win.
I vaguely want Freedom and less Government.
I am not against Communities practicing and spreading Communism, but I don't want it from the Federal Government.
I want Free Speech, Guns.
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@RemyBrown
It is illegal to do this.
Yes, the idea is that the company was breaking the law but wasn't getting punished for it.
Everyone knows the military is dangerous; if you don't want to risk getting your limbs blown off, then don't join the military.
Politicians are funding wars that get civilians killed.
He says it's, "to take out the cartels" much like the war in Iraq was to, "take out ISIS". At least Ukraine is far enough away and all we're doing is sending money; Mexico is right next door!
The point isn't that Trump is good as much as it's "no politician is without sin." And a hypothetical war seems less pressing than a real one.
The cult like loyalty lets you get away with shooting someone on the street.
But the point is that just because he can get away with something doesn't mean he will. That's an assumption.
Arguing with them is pointless...If Trump does policy X, then MAGA DART member immediately backs policy X
I don't think you picked the right thread title then.
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@Lemming
While Trump by his vague policies and directions 'did put illegal immigrants in camps, and separate illegal immigrant families (Both actions anger me)Trump hasn't put 'Americans in camps. As Stalin put Russians in Siberia, not to mention all the people Stalin personally ordered shot or erased.
That's fair; but Harris isn't going to do anything close to that. I'm not saying you have to vote blue. It's just that if someone told me, "You could get shot, stabbed, or neither", then I would do neither. If it was, "You could get shot, pay a theif $20, or neither", I could respect option 2 or 3 (option 3 basicly means you fight and might die), but option1 is off the table.
I don't see why politicians can't use hyperbole.
Politician's words should be taken extremely litterally; if they misspeak, then they admit to it and it's fine. Trump doesn't do that. Like RFK made a statement many thought was anti semetiic; he said he didn't mean it like that; and society forgave him.
Off my head, I'm not very fond of the,1. Defund the Police Movement,2. Anti Gun Movement,3. Trans the Children Movement,4. Trans in Sports Movement,5. Immigration Movement,6. Include Everyone for the sake of Diversity Movement.
1. This is not Harris'es position.
2. This is not Harris'es position; and I think AR 15s should be legal nationwide and constitutional carry should be legal in every state. But that's just because I love freedom. The 2nd amendment won't defend you from tyranny. Conservatives argue Big Tech is tyranical; when was the last time you saw San Fransisco get attacked by people protecting themselves from tyranny?
3. Be specific. Are you talking about hormones, dick snips; titty taking? What is your ideal minimum age for these activities?
4. If a kid is 6, they do co ed sports; where boys compete with girls and it's fine. Therefore, you need a maximum age to start HRT for trans girls to be able to compete with cisgender girls.
5. What is the pourpose with deporting people?
6. This point is very vague. Affirmitive Action got voted against by about 16 pts in CA (a D+30 state). They aren't going to bring back DEI and Affirmitive Action by law.
I didn't like Biden trying to excuse College Student Debt, though I would not be against him trying to reform College costs.
How would you reform college costs? My rule would be make college free under the condition that you get rid of Woke Inc (no more Gender Studies, African American studies, Women's studies, etc). I would rather though make every major free than make no major free.
I vaguely want Freedom and less Government.
Harris and the democrats are more libetarian than Trump and the Republicans.
Right wing freedoms:
- AR 15 legalization (6% of the population).
- Lower taxes (when half of Americans already pay virtually nothing in income taxes, and less taxes means less money for education, and virtually nobody is seriously negatively impacted from left wing tax laws as the poor don't pay much and the better off wont' miss the extra money).
Left wing freedoms:
- Weed (10% of the population).
- Undocumented immigration (6% of the population).
- Abortion (12% of the female population recieves an abortion and this effects the men to a lesser degree, so 25% of the population)
- Qualified immunity (100% of the US population has more freedom from government law enforcers (called cops))
- LGBT freedom (8% or so of the population)
- Education freedom (you get more money for schools)
The free speech freedom is virtually the same from what I've seen. We had 4 years of Biden; 8 years of Obama, the most radical racists (David Duke) have not been jailed for their speech; they would have been in many other western countries, but not here.
The left is more libetarian than the right.
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@Savant
Politicians are funding wars that get civilians killed.
That is true. But if politician X starts a war that gets only 5 innocent civilians killed, then to treat that the same as that politician grabbing an AR 15 and deciding to shoot up a church and killing 5 people to me just isn't fair. With war casualities, there will be people that argue it was justified to take out the bad guys (I don't agree with these people; but they have a higher tolterance for civilian death to take out the bad guys than I do; whatever). This is different than a politician deciding to shoot someone personally. There is no justification for doing that (except sefl defense, accident, and similar).
Since Trump is a draft dodger; if he wants to fight a war in Mexico with the soliders we already have, then I won't agree, but those soliders all agreed to join the military; it is what it is. If he drafts me to fight and if he drafts other people without their consent (which is possible), then I would be mad.
And a hypothetical war seems less pressing than a real one.
Yeah; but right now we have to assume the hypothetical war will turn into a real one.
But the point is that just because he can get away with something doesn't mean he will. That's an assumption.
It will always be an assumption until he does it. But sometimes, it's ok to assume.
Example, if I say, "All these N_GGERS are annoying and they yap like wild monkeys!", then you could easily assume the missing letter is an I. If it's an A, then that's possible, but you would usually assume it's an I.
I don't think you picked the right thread title then.
MAGA often doesn't want to be known as the, "We agree with Trump 100% of the time" group, but they are and I like to call a spade a spade. Just like a lot of white suburban people don't want to be known as racist, but they move out of a city to a suburb, and if they're honest, then they say it's to get away from the blacks.
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@RemyBrown
Yeah; I don't want people who are unwilling to change their minds in my feed. Arguing with them is pointless. This is different from me. If Trump does policy X, then MAGA DART member immediately backs policy X; I want to see what policy X is first, think it over, and then if I agree, then I back it. I believe Trump is racist so I won't vote for him, but if policy X is, "get us out of Ukraine", then I'll agree with Trump there.
All that is academic. Trump won the 2024 elections and will be the president for the next 4 years.
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@RemyBrown
I agree that speaking 'clearer is better for politicians, than speaking in ways that can be misunderstood.
Police
It doesn't need to be 'Harris's position, what matters is that I view it as her 'sides position.
One's side get's pushed forward by their candidate being in office, even if their candidate does not make it their main push.
They elect judges, and give into their sides pressure on issues at times.
Though, I still think Harris pandered to the movement.
Guns
Source looks Far Right, but while Trump is awful straightforward,
Harris was nice but reticent.
Though it 'is too bad people judge other politicians harder than Trump.
Trans Children
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/6249-if-you-have-a-random-thought-post-it-here?page=40 Starting at #1188
There are kids 'biologically who are. . . 'different sexwise,
Operations in such cases are more understandable to me, than people with mental issues.
I also disagree with the million terms for gender. Or referring to a person by the sex they are not.
Own your face | Robert Hoge | TEDxSouthBank
I worry about weirdo or stupid parents, who encourage stupid or play ideas in their kids.
If the kids are determined to be 'confused and 'wrong about what they are. I say let the kids grow up a bit first, random age 18?
I don't see it as something to encourage or normalize though.
I haven't thought about it deeply but I dislike the culture that pushes it so much.
Trans in Sports Movement,
Just have 4 categories for sports, men, women, trans, and any.
Immigration Movement,
I think the Left encourages immigration to the point it is detrimental to current inhabitants.
I think the Left 'can be hypocritical when they get immigrants in their cities, though some show amazing support.
I think Left cities often **** up their cities, like San Francisco, by being too permissive.
I am less about deporting, than I am about my government verbally and physically discouraging illegal immigration.
I don't really care for immigration in general, but acknowledge it's use in some circumstances, our history.
I think we should try to improve third world countries to a higher standard of living, as I think a lower standard of living results in population booms.
I think people should value their heritage and blood.
Include Everyone for the sake of Diversity Movement.
I view them as Left, I view the Left being in power as encouraging to such.
College
I am not informed on the subject to have a strong opinion,
But I 'would think excusing one batch of college kids their voluntarily accepted debt, would not fix the problem.
Libertarian Left or Right,
Certainly something for me to think about.
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@RemyBrown
College
I suppose government might encourage people to go for colleges that don't cost as much,
As well as prioritizing funding colleges that seem balanced in cost and education.
Going too far, can result in underpaid, understaffed, lacking resources.
Government might also encourage common knowledge of certifications that can be acquired by testing and self study.