Albums Mafia: Track Three

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Going to sleep for a while might be on for hammer, hopefully yall make the right choice. Gnight. 
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Which one? The order? It works two ways. Let’s say Austin is scum and WF is his buddy. Austin votes Luna, and neither you nor I quickhammer. That means that either Luna is scum or the team is exactly WF/Austin I think. I dislike Austin’s claim of the Strengthener. It’s a convenient (not to mention common) fake claim. And he’s been dodging some questions. If you’re town, the anti-claim HAS to be part of manipulation of your results. I don’t think my suicide bomber theory makes sense. Nor do I think you’d do the appeal to absurdity or rely on your partner and just sacrifice yourself.

But all of that aside, I don’t know what the order between you and Austin should be. If he’s heavily leaning town on WF, why hasn’t he voted Luna yet? It’s been a better part of two and a half days
This is disingenous. I haven't intentionally avoided answering any questions, I'm getting pinged left and right by people trying to get my attention and not all of those pings are questions.

I literally haven't voted Luna because I was waiting for you to weigh in on the voting order, so this is ???
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For one, its literally the only case I can make against him. From my POV I know I am town, and I know that a tracker exists because I literally used it on pie. So the fact that whiteflame is CC'ing me with that is almost near confirmation that he is scum to me. But you are right, whiteflame has played well, and we are both resorting to WIFOM to try to make a case for ourselves. The same way you don't like the WIFOM of me not being on lynches, I don't like the WIFOM of my "justification is too straightfoward" because that is something I literally cannot control, the mod gave me my PM, and I am guessing knew little of the band I claimed outside of doing a bit of cursory research on google. Or the way whiteflame argues that the existence of a miller can only exist on a non-hidden JOAT. It's complete WIFOM, but its wifom you are choosing to believe. Is me not being on mislynches the most convincing argument in the world? Probably not, but at the end of the day niether is his WIFOM arguments. But I disagree that scum don't have incentive to be on lynches, because I could have easily justified lynching both mislynch targets based on the circumstances and if questioned would have been logically sound in my defense for voting either of them. It's clear that I wasn't around dp1, but you don't think if I was mafia my scum partner couldn't have been spam pinging me to get on to at least vote GP? It would have been incredibly easy to do so. I was also one of the only ones last night not buying the either or situation between WF and mharman, where whiteflame went over and above to explain why wylted was scum, when it was obvious that wylted was being lynched for being on mharmans report. It's almost the exact thing earth was sussing whiteflame for when he pointed out that whiteflame was over explaining himself, and was why he was FOS'ing him convienently before he died just before mylo. All this can be dismissed as WIFOM sure but I just don't understand why your dismissing my WIFOM over his, when he is literally claiming a second JOAT and CC'ing at LYLO, and somehow thats easier for you to buy than all the more obvious wifom in whiteflames direction. If you are town here, I advise you reconsider everything I have said, because the game is at stake if you vote me over whiteflame. 
Not everything is WIFOM. I weigh probability over possibility.

For WF to be scum, I have to buy that Wylted's Miller exists solely to counter an ability of Casey's JOAT - and considering four abilities are already accounted for if we believe your claim, that feels unlikely.

For you to be scum, I have to buy that there exists an investigative JOAT and a Dreaming God. That's hardly a CC.
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Please don’t vote till I get home
You're literally telling me not to vote and then shading me for not voting Luna? Like I just dislike this, it feels like I'm being lined up for a mislynch in F3...
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I feel that final 3 will be a lot easier if we find out one of the scum's roles today. But we have to choose right in final 5 first :/
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F3?
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On final 3 nvm
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The question about who my teammate is. I saw you restate the obvious, but that’s not good enough for me.
I genuinely don’t know, but gut says Luna is your partner. I just got home, let me eat and then I’ll catch up
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This is disingenous. I haven't intentionally avoided answering any questions, I'm getting pinged left and right by people trying to get my attention and not all of those pings are questions.
Okay fair

I literally haven't voted Luna because I was waiting for you to weigh in on the voting order, so this is ???
Ik, I meant before that. Because you’ve been relatively confident that WF is town. And if he’s town, Luna has to be scum. So I’m curious where your hesitation is at this point?
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You're literally telling me not to vote and then shading me for not voting Luna? Like I just dislike this, it feels like I'm being lined up for a mislynch in F3...
I meant before I requested for you and Mharman not to vote. Ik I said to not vote right now because I was driving him. You’ve been solid town on WF all day today. Where’s your hesitation at this stage and what is your exact scum team?
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I don’t think you’ve answered this. What is your exact scum team right now?
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Right now I’m thinking the scum team is either Mhar/Luna or Austin/WF. I am rereading DP1 and DP2 for behavioral cues.

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DP2 Post 8 from Austin is interesting:


What’s the purpose of this question?
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Of course everyone disappears when I’m free
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I’m around. Still thinking
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Still around. I just don't have much to add. Austin has been agreeing with me a good deal, so it would make sense if I was scum. The Mharman/Luna pairing is a bit looser, but I can see how you'd get there. 

Even if I survive this DP, I'm almost certain to be the NK, so I'll post a new set of reads before the night's out to cover who I think is Luna's partner.
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List your abilities and what they are called. All of them.
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I think I’m ready to place my vote. Waiting for you two.


At this point,

From Austin’s POV, it has to be Mhar/Luna and Mharman is just lying, which Occam’s Razor would say is true, especially if he townreads Whiteflame

From Mhar’s POV, it has to be Austin/WF with likely the anticlaim fucking with his results.


If Austin and Mhar both vote for either Luna or WF, I will be massively surprised 
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I’m still thinking about Lunatic vs Whiteflame. Whiteflame’s behavior was pissing me off DP1, but right now it’s become a deadlock for me. In particular, I do think Lunatic could be buddying me. I see the signs of it more in Luantic than I do Whiteflame.
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What the reasoning for me having to conclude it’s WF/Austin?
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Pretty sure I did already, but I'll repeat it:

"I Can See Through You": Cop
"I'll Be The Hunter": Tracker
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I’m still thinking about Lunatic vs Whiteflame. Whiteflame’s behavior was pissing me off DP1, but right now it’s become a deadlock for me. In particular, I do think Lunatic could be buddying me. I see the signs of it more in Luantic than I do Whiteflame.
Could be buddying, but he considered the “messing of your results” in DP2. Either he’s working the long game, or he genuinely believes you. He did buddy me in that one game, but I was clearly town if I remember correctly, while here you’re not. Wylted suspected you heavily last DP.

With WF, I don’t think he can buddy you because you’re in his POV. I think at the beginning of this DP, he was buddying you. But I also think when Luna also agreed with you, he could’ve changed strategies, now that I’m rereading DP3. Mechanics are tough this game, but so is behavior. 
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What the reasoning for me having to conclude it’s WF/Austin?
Mostly POE. Any team with me doesn’t make sense and any team with you doesn’t make sense from your POV.

Pie/Mhar
Pie/Austin
Pie/Luna
Pie/WF
Mhar/Austin
Mhar/WF
Mhar/Luna 

Are all gone cause of POE. That leaves:

Austin/WF
Austin/Luna

So unless you think the team is exactly Austin/Luna and there is a bus going on, then only thing left is Austin/WF.
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Why do you not make sense from my pov? If I was settled between you and Austin, I would’ve voted one of you to avoid having to choose between Whiteflame and Lunatic
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Ok I see what pie means. He’s saying he’d have to be bussing Lunatic.

Which I can believe. However, it should be noted that with both of you pushing for Lunatic, both of you seem content to defend Whiteflame from a lynch.
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Fuck it. Both of you could be bussing Lunatic.

Argh. The scumread of both you on Lunatic while not voting for him pisses me off.

VTL Lunatic
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hurry 3 minutes left

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HOLY SHIT ONE OF YOU VOTE ALREADY
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Day 3, Votecount 5

Approximately 8 hours and 40 minutes remain.

Whiteflame: 1 (Lunatic)
Lunatic: 2 (Whiteflame, Mharman)

Majority is 3.

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Oh I miscounted how much time was left