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@Mharman
Why do you not make sense from my pov? If I was settled between you and Austin, I would’ve voted one of you to avoid having to choose between Whiteflame and Lunatic
Theoretically yes, I could be scum, but it doesn’t make sense cause one town out of Luna/WF mechanically cleared me. I probably have the most going for me out of the 5 people alive. So that leaves Austin. But that just brings us back to Mhar/Luna and Austin/WF.
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@Mharman
Ok I see what pie means. He’s saying he’d have to be bussing Lunatic.Which I can believe. However, it should be noted that with both of you pushing for Lunatic, both of you seem content to defend Whiteflame from a lynch.
Who said I’m defending WF?
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@ILikePie5
Theoretically yes, I could be scum, but it doesn’t make sense cause one town out of Luna/WF mechanically cleared me.
Uhhh maybe? As long as you aren’t a godfather and ninja at the same time
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@Mharman
hurry 3 minutes left
Bruh we have till tomorrow AM
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@ILikePie5
I was implying that by voting for Lunatic, both of you might be Whiteflame’s teammate and avoiding a lynch on him.
As opposed to a bussing of Lunatic, which is what I settled on.
I thought the DP was gonna end for a sec so I was thinking quickly…
I had your request of 10pm still in my head
Did Mhar does townslip?
Some family stuff came up, will catch up tonight
Typing up my vote now…
Alright, it's getting late and I still need to post some reads. No time like the present. I've said enough about Luna, so I'll shift focus to everyone else.
Pie: Given the Cop result, I still townread him. Perhaps more importantly since I'm currently trying to get Luna lynched, the fact that he claims to have a negative result on Pie's movement also makes me think he's town. If this was a previous DP, I might believe that he was using this as a means to try and "clear" his scum partner, but I don't buy it at this point since it necessarily puts some sus on Pie when Luna flips scum. I just don't buy them as a scum team using this tactic. The Virgin role looks more null the more I think about it (unconfirmable, does not visit, relatively unimportant at this point in the game).
Austin: I'm of two minds about Austin. On the one hand, he does seem to be working with the same logic I'm using this DP, which makes me want to townread him. It might be buddying, but this seems like an inopportune time to do it, all the more so because either I'm going to be lynched or NK'd. On the other hand, I can see him hard-bussing his partner right now to get towncred. That plus the non-consecutive Strengthener claim (we can only verify a visit based on Mharman's result) makes me more uncertain of him, particularly as we have yet to see any confirmation of roles used that the Strengthener could counter. Maybe whatever resulted in WyIted's visit to Mharman wouldn't have pinged my Tracker if I'd Tracked WyIted, but whatever that was seems to have been the result of some other mechanic in this game and it's hard to see how a Strengthener fits into this one, or why it would have gotten a non-consecutive modifier if it does matter given that many of the roles in play are 1X.
Mharman: This is mainly a behavioral read, but I just don't buy Mharman as scum. Everything that happened between him and WyIted, and everything that has come up this DP as a result of it, reads as townie to me. It all comes off as absolutely baffled by a result that does not make sense. Maybe Mharman is just acting this out really well, but his decision to out his role at that particular point in time when there was already a push on WyIted just doesn't make as much sense coming from scum. The main thing that was holding me back from townreading Mharman is how WyIted responded to all this, and he had a very different take. While much of that has fallen apart, I can't dismiss Mharman first asking who visited Casey (something he wouldn't have known) or allowing Austin to inform him of his visit rather than verifying his own role by claiming he was visited by Austin first. That being said, given that he thought the DP was going to end just a short time ago (if he was scum, he'd be happy for it to end that way because it would end the game), I'm still more on town than scum with him at this point.
So yes, despite his agreement with me, I still believe Austin is scum.
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@Lunatic
@whiteflame
@Mharman
@AustinL0926
Okay, so here I go with my vote. Here is everything I’m basing my decision off of (the higher the score, the more town points they have):
- Miller - A Miller exists in this game and it specifically mentions alignment investigations. This leads me to conclude that there are at the minimum Cop roles out there. The question then is whether Casey’s JOAT had multiple alignment investigative roles, or they were distributed between 2 players (him and WF). This point, I agree that it’s more likely that one lay with Casey and the other with WF. (1-0 WF)
- Voting - Whiteflame was on or supported every wagon this game. He explicitly voted for GP. Something that I caught was that GP called WF scum early in the game. WF brushed it off, but later participated in the lynch quite enthusiastically. In DP2, he was quick to call Wylted scum as an investigative JOAT, knowing that Wylted had claimed Miller. He very easily believed Mharman’s results and was heavily supporting Wylted and said he would vote for him when he got back. The WF I know would be a little more calculating and suspicious of Mharman, vs just believing him outright. (1-1 tie)
- Let’s assume for a second that Casey had 2 investigative abilities in his JOAT, then Luna’s role works very well with the Miller because even upon Casey’s death, an investigative ability is available for town to use, and thus the investigative JOAT becomes redundant because in a likely 3-5 DP game, 2-3 investigative abilities utilized can be game changing. This theory though is still a little less likely and #1 but I wanted to highlight it. (Still 1-1 tie)
Now I’m going to analyze who I see as their respective partners.
- Austin - The anticlaim talk at DP1 was out of the blue. As I mentioned then, from anyone else, it would be town, but Austin is smart enough to say that as town, and I think that’s what’s going to bite him. The anti-claim feature could have impacted Mharman’s results since Wylted was the only person who had claimed at that point in time. Because he had claimed, he could be messed with via the anti-claim. I think this in itself is very incriminating. (2-1 Luna)
- Mharman - I genuinely don’t see Mharman’s endgame by lying about seeing Wylted. It seems more likely that scum messed with his results via the anti-claim to get Town Wylted lynched, and then get Mharman lynched for lying. The only alternative theory is that Mhar/Luna planned this as an appeal to absurdity and it was a crazy risky gamble. Would Luna do it? I think he would, but I don’t think Mhar would agree to the risk on team. Luna I think would also hesitate cause I was still alive and so was WF. (3-1 Luna)
- Mharman - The fact that Mharman asked everyone if anyone visited him before outting his results is a red flag to me. I believe by that point, Wylted had said that he visited Casey, so why hold off on just saying his results and ask who visited him (Austin said he did and only then did Mharman confirm). This is very odd to me in DP2. (3-2 Luna)
- Austin - After both votes were over in DP1 and DP2, said something along the lines of: It was obvious GP and Wylted were town after they did “XYZ.” It’s almost like he knew that they were town at the beginning and didn’t say it. I found this really interesting because it kinda shows he has an informed perspective (4-2 Luna)
There is a 5, with Mharman town slipping in my opinion, but I realize it’s still WIFOM and could be faked, especially if the appeal to absurdity argument is correct, so I’m going to leave that a tie.
In short, most, if not all of this is WIFOM. But I’m going to choose to believe what I believe is most likely assumptive of affiliation, and what isn’t. Austin and Whiteflame as scum make more sense from my POV than Mhar/Luna after highlighting all of these things (they have more town points). If I’m wrong, well played to you Mhar/Luna and apologies for Austin/WF, but after comparing the two teams, I see WF/Austin as the scum team.
VTL Whiteflame
With that, I’m going to sleep, and the DP should prob be over when I wake up.
Well, that's probably game unless Pie's scum. Been fun, guys.
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@ILikePie5
VTL Austin
I’m not 100% sure about Whiteflame but I am confident you are town now.one scum between you and Austin.
I think Austin messed with my results on Wylted, and that’s why he showed up on my radar.
Not hammering
unvote
I’m getting ahead of myself
I can only be scum if I'm exactly with WF, otherwise I hammer WF there.
Austin-Lunatic orAustin is town
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@AustinL0926
Oh wait ur right nvm
Idk what the hell im thinking
Austin-WF or Austin is town.
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@Mharman
@AustinL0926
Well, you've both now had every chance to end this. Testing that read I posted on you in particular, Austin. If this somehow turns around, consider my mind changed and my sus on Pie.
so it’s Pie-Lunatic or Austin-Whiteflame
Ok that helps a lot
Ok that helps a lot
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@whiteflame
So I get the sense you’re hiding a third ability. No JOAT I’ve seen has just two.
What is it and what is it called?
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@Mharman
So I get the sense you’re hiding a third ability. No JOAT I’ve seen has just two.What is it and what is it called?
Surprised you're the first one who asked, figured this would come up sooner, but I didn't want to just out it considering the sus that I got for outing my Tracker late.
My third role is the one I already said I used at the beginning of the DP. My hope was to keep this one in reserve and use it tonight, but since I'm either the lynch or the NK, I'll just out it.
"I See It All So Clear": I'd receive a PM with the full text of an ability my target uses. It specifies that the choice will be the least incriminating assuming my target uses multiple abilities.
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@AustinL0926
Pinging you on this as well.
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@AustinL0926
Austin, do you agree with Whiteflame’s assessment of Pie?
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@Mharman
so it’s Pie-Lunatic or Austin-WhiteflameOk that helps a lot
Yep, it’s exactly that, which means I chose the scum team correctly (Austin/WF) and identified the 2 townies (You/Luna).
Congrats: you’re a confirmed townie now. Is Pie-Luna more likely or Austin-WF?
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@ILikePie5
That’s what I’m trying to figure out. I got ahead of myself for a second there.
I’m asking questions. We’ll see.
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@Lunatic
Lyric associated with your ability?
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@Mharman
That’s what I’m trying to figure out. I got ahead of myself for a second there.I’m asking questions. We’ll see.
No rush, but I need to sleep, and I would ideally like to know if we won or not. If you have anything for me, ask away before I pass out