Albums Mafia: Track Three

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Very few interactions between you and Lunatic this game. Why?
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Btw, I am gonna wait for Lunatic’s answer. So the game is not gonna end before you fall asleep.

The question I asked is the only one I could think of
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Austin’s answer as well as Lunatic’s actually
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I'm going to head off. If you have more questions, I'll be available for a short while, but likely off in 10-15 minutes. Wherever this goes is in your hands at this point, Mharman. 
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Very few interactions between you and Lunatic this game. Why?
I was inactive DP1. He was inactive DP2. Not much to respond to. DP3 I’ve been busy with my girl and barely had time to read much less respond to respond to the clutter between WF and Luna. Mainly a function of inactivity though.

I’ll just say if we’re a team, we’d be running the game, and we’d be doing it quite well vs just sitting inactive all game.

In case you didn’t notice, WF just did a complete 180 on me, going from I’m not voting Pie today to Pie is kinda sus (after I chose you and Luna correctly as the townies). Quite convenient, no? He tried to buddy me all of today, and then just forsakes me and hard buddy’s you. 
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In case you didn’t notice, WF just did a complete 180 on me, going from I’m not voting Pie today to Pie is kinda sus (after I chose you and Luna correctly as the townies). Quite convenient, no? He tried to buddy me all of today, and then just forsakes me and hard buddy’s you. 
I'll leave off with a response to this.

You say it's convenient after acknowledging the obvious: that it's come down to you/Luna or Austin/me. And the reason is obvious: if I'm town, then both Austin and Mharman have had ample opportunity to hammer and end the game. From where I'm sitting, they're both town-confirmed for not doing that. So, yes, that single piece of evidence is reason enough for me to change my mind on Austin. That should be taken as a given. But, hey, you think I'm scum, so I guess the reasoning I would have as town doesn't matter, right?
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I meant to say "change my mind on Austin and on you." Tired. Sleep.
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Btw, I am gonna wait for Lunatic’s answer. So the game is not gonna end before you fall asleep.

The question I asked is the only one I could think of
Fine, whatever makes you happy as long as you vote before time expires and choose right. I already did the hard part for you by choosing correctly.
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Noted.
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Gn.
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No further questions for you either 
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I'll leave off with a response to this.

You say it's convenient after acknowledging the obvious: that it's come down to you/Luna or Austin/me. And the reason is obvious: if I'm town, then both Austin and Mharman have had ample opportunity to hammer and end the game. From where I'm sitting, they're both town-confirmed for not doing that. So, yes, that single piece of evidence is reason enough for me to change my mind on Austin. That should be taken as a given. But, hey, you think I'm scum, so I guess the reasoning I would have as town doesn't matter, right?
Lol what? Me voting for you cleared the game up and town confirmed Mharman. 

This is just laughable. Mharman, understand what he’s saying. Whiteflame is saying that Pie as scum town confirmed you Mharman, and then implicated himself as scum in the process, after Pie was the one person who had the most townie things going for him. Wowzas
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Pie is like materially misrepresenting WF which isn't explicitly scummy considering that from his POV if he's town WF's alignment would be confirmed and he doesn't need to worry about arguing in good faith, but it's also not a reason to vote for WF. I.e. saying that WF turned around his read on Pie, which he should bc Pie is scum confirmed from his POV. Idk what his last post is either
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Austin, do you agree with Whiteflame’s assessment of Pie?
It's materially irrelevant - i.e. if WF is town, Pie is always scum, as otherwise a town-on-town vote ends the game. So no, I'm not taking that into account, I'm reading Pie's alignment off WF, who I think is town.
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VTL Luna

I don't see myself not making this vote today. This loses only if Mharman and WF are scum, and frankly, if that's the case, I'm not finding them anyway. And Pie would snapvote me in F3 anyway.


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acknowledge please.
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I noticed what you were saying on Pie, and yeah, I don’t agree. I can see Whiteflame’s last read from his POV.

My question to you is, why the hesitation on voting for Lunatic?

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Nvm
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OH MY GOD youre town
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thank you
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ok my heart was racing

yeah fmpov the team is confirmed now
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ok all I can say is - I can't give decisive evidence that I'm town, but I've shown why WF is town - either we're town-town or scum-scum, and it's up to you to choose
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Okay, so here I go with my vote. Here is everything I’m basing my decision off of (the higher the score, the more town points they have):

  1. Miller - A Miller exists in this game and it specifically mentions alignment investigations. This leads me to conclude that there are at the minimum Cop roles out there. The question then is whether Casey’s JOAT had multiple alignment investigative roles, or they were distributed between 2 players (him and WF). This point, I agree that it’s more likely that one lay with Casey and the other with WF. (1-0 WF)
  2. Voting - Whiteflame was on or supported every wagon this game. He explicitly voted for GP. Something that I caught was that GP called WF scum early in the game. WF brushed it off, but later participated in the lynch quite enthusiastically. In DP2, he was quick to call Wylted scum as an investigative JOAT, knowing that Wylted had claimed Miller. He very easily believed Mharman’s results and was heavily supporting Wylted and said he would vote for him when he got back. The WF I know would be a little more calculating and suspicious of Mharman, vs just believing him outright. (1-1 tie)
  3. Let’s assume for a second that Casey had 2 investigative abilities in his JOAT, then Luna’s role works very well with the Miller because even upon Casey’s death, an investigative ability is available for town to use, and thus the investigative JOAT becomes redundant because in a likely 3-5 DP game, 2-3 investigative abilities utilized can be game changing. This theory though is still a little less likely and #1 but I wanted to highlight it. (Still 1-1 tie)

Now I’m going to analyze who I see as their respective partners.

  1. Austin - The anticlaim talk at DP1 was out of the blue. As I mentioned then, from anyone else, it would be town, but Austin is smart enough to say that as town, and I think that’s what’s going to bite him. The anti-claim feature could have impacted Mharman’s results since Wylted was the only person who had claimed at that point in time. Because he had claimed, he could be messed with via the anti-claim. I think this in itself is very incriminating. (2-1 Luna)
  2. Mharman - I genuinely don’t see Mharman’s endgame by lying about seeing Wylted. It seems more likely that scum messed with his results via the anti-claim to get Town Wylted lynched, and then get Mharman lynched for lying. The only alternative theory is that Mhar/Luna planned this as an appeal to absurdity and it was a crazy risky gamble. Would Luna do it? I think he would, but I don’t think Mhar would agree to the risk on team. Luna I think would also hesitate cause I was still alive and so was WF. (3-1 Luna)
  3. Mharman - The fact that Mharman asked everyone if anyone visited him before outting his results is a red flag to me. I believe by that point, Wylted had said that he visited Casey, so why hold off on just saying his results and ask who visited him (Austin said he did and only then did Mharman confirm). This is very odd to me in DP2. (3-2 Luna)
  4. Austin - After both votes were over in DP1 and DP2, said something along the lines of: It was obvious GP and Wylted were town after they did “XYZ.” It’s almost like he knew that they were town at the beginning and didn’t say it. I found this really interesting because it kinda shows he has an informed perspective (4-2 Luna)

There is a 5, with Mharman town slipping in my opinion, but I realize it’s still WIFOM and could be faked, especially if the appeal to absurdity argument is correct, so I’m going to leave that a tie.

In short, most, if not all of this is WIFOM. But I’m going to choose to believe what I believe is most likely assumptive of affiliation, and what isn’t. Austin and Whiteflame as scum make more sense from my POV than Mhar/Luna after highlighting all of these things (they have more town points). If I’m wrong, well played to you Mhar/Luna and apologies for Austin/WF, but after comparing the two teams, I see WF/Austin as the scum team.


VTL Whiteflame


With that, I’m going to sleep, and the DP should prob be over when I wake up.
ok this post is bad btw. should be self explanatory that he's counting a lot of small points to make them seem equivalent to the important ones

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idk what you want me to do. it's a cross with 2 votes on each side - everyone in the game except you knows the scum team from their point of view. argumentation now is pretty pointless, just reread and make the right choice.
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I don’t need anything more from you. Thank you
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dude if you're scum just end it. if not then idk, I'll be around for a bit then I gtg sleep.


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oh ok. alright then.


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I didn’t like Pie’s behavior compared to Austin’s in those final moments