Health insurance company ceo assassinated in Manhattan

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With over 40,000 gun related deaths per year, I don't see what all the fuss is about.
Guns have been practically outlawed in New York. many are indicating confusion at how gun crime could occur at all. 
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I think a scheme somewhat like SSI could work to fix health insurance, where the government steals a part of your money you earn and forces you to put it into a personal health savings fund. You get to shop around for the best priced healthcare, as all doctors will be forced to accept payment from the fund. When you die, the leftover funds go to a general account and then spent on people with super rare diseases that cost more than the health savings fund.
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1. Health Savings Fund (HSF)
Each working individual is required to contribute a percentage of their income to a personal Health Savings Fund. This could be similar to how Social Security works, where a certain portion of your earnings is automatically deducted and placed into a personal fund managed by the government or a private entity. The contributions would be mandatory, ensuring universal participation.
2. Choice in Healthcare Providers
People can use their Health Savings Fund to shop around for healthcare. Doctors, hospitals, and clinics would be required to accept payments from these funds, creating a market-driven approach where patients can compare prices and choose providers based on cost and quality. This encourages competition and can potentially lower costs, as providers would be incentivized to offer transparent pricing.
3. Coverage of Common Medical Costs
For most routine care (like doctor visits, prescriptions, and minor surgeries), the individual’s Health Savings Fund would cover the expenses. Over time, the fund could accumulate savings, which would help with larger medical costs in the future (such as major surgeries or long-term treatments). People could also opt to add private insurance plans to cover larger expenses beyond the fund’s limits, much like how many individuals today use supplemental health insurance or use private retirement plans to supplement SSI.
4. Health Fund Balances and Death
When someone passes away, any leftover funds in their Health Savings Fund would be transferred to a general healthcare pool. This could be used to help fund rare diseases, high-cost medical treatments, and provide healthcare for those without sufficient funds. The pooling of leftover funds would help spread resources to individuals with conditions that are particularly expensive or unusual, ensuring that they have access to life-saving treatments.
5. Government Oversight and Assistance
The government could provide oversight to ensure fairness and transparency in the system. This would include regulating prices, ensuring that all healthcare providers accept payment from the personal Health Savings Fund, and providing assistance for people who can't afford to contribute to the fund due to low income or disability.
6. Emergency Situations and High-Cost Diseases
For cases where the Health Savings Fund isn't enough to cover very expensive or complex treatments (e.g., rare diseases or long-term care), the general healthcare pool could be used. This would involve a system where the government steps in to provide additional funding for those in need, ensuring that no one is left without care due to their condition being too costly for their personal fund.
7. Incentives for Health Maintenance
To further reduce costs, individuals could be incentivized to maintain their health, as lower healthcare expenses would result in more savings in their personal health funds. This could include offering discounts on contributions for people who engage in healthy lifestyles, undergo regular checkups, or avoid smoking.

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Great plan tbh
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AI made that plan on my suggestion
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@WyIted
"Hmmmm the source of the problem is economic I terventionism. Well let's solve this through economic interventionism "

there are to be sure a lot of great conservative healthcare proposals. a lot of them the more radical conservatives would put down because it requires doctors to accept less than theyd prefer, like involuntary servitude. same with many liberal solutions. but there's also the point that unless we can just scrap our healthcare system with 340 million people and entrenched lobbyists, which read we can't, then we have to find ways to work within the existing system to find reform. 

also a lot of libertarian types think charity is how healthcare should be tackled for the less privilegeded. the problem with that, is just that it's not chariy's burden to share. we're the richest country in the world and every other developed country delivers healthcare to everyone at half the cost... the social contract should be such that the government figures out a solution. 
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Charity might actually help a lot more. We see when the govt is in charge that people in a disaster only get 700 dollars. A lot less if the govt. thinks you didn't vote for them. The average GoFundMe is far more than 700 dollars.

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also a lot of libertarian types think charity is how healthcare should be tackled for the less privilegeded. the problem with that, is just that it's not chariy's burden to share. we're the richest country in the world and every other developed country delivers healthcare to everyone at half the cost... the social contract should be such that the government figures out a solution. 
You have to watch what you ask for in terms of the role of government. The role of government is to enforce negative rights and you see what happens to governments who think the opposite when you see things like the Cambodian killing fields or nazi Germany.  

Anyway if you see a problem was created with certain policies that. Rolling back those policies would obviously entirely fix that problem
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When I first joined this site, it was because I was ill, I couldn't work, and i was going out of my mind with boredom. I had lung cancer (I got better) and was getting radiation treatments daily, and chemotherapy weekly, and a boatload of other expensive health care shit.

I have what's considered very good insurance through work and there wasn't a single treatment, procedure, or medication that was not preapproved as "fully covered" by my health insurance company.   But the shit they pulled to get out of paying what they had agreed to pay was astounding, for months and months it was practically a full-time job for my wife doing battle with these pricks, it was traumatic as hell for us both, all to get them to do what they were supposed to do, what they had agreed to do, what they promised the cancer treatment center that they would do, but in the end, I was screwed over by well over a hundred thousand dollars.

Point is, I spent a lot of time wanting to kill people at that insurance company, if I were a little more violent and a little more unhinged, (like MAGA violent and unhinged for instance), I could easily see doing what this guy did, they certainly make you upset enough. 

I'm not condoning it by any stretch, I'm certainly not saying they deserve it, but it's easy to see how they could drive this guy to doing what he did. Especially with the words on the shell casings they found, I'll bet you anything he's got a story like mine to tell, or an even worse one, maybe lost a loved one or something because of those pricks, and that story explains his actions and, in his mind, justifies what he did.

Not only am I not at all surprised by what happened, I'm kind of surprised something like that doesn't happen every fucking week, again, not saying healthcare companies deserve it, but they certainly push people to the brink enough to make something like this happen.  


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Certainly are enough crime against conventionally good people in America,
Robberies, school shootings, serial killers.

Not that I want or think it would be good for such people to target less conventionally good people.
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@WyIted
Trump and the Republicans party are still planning to ban Obamacare.
Did you see last time?

He literally was going to ban it but the plan was to replace it with something almost identical but removing the most controversial parts and adding in some popular measures. By the way after democrats voted against that, many of those same changes that would have turned obamacare into trumpcare have been implemented. 

If you really want to dig into the healthcare thing. It worked better before FDR took measures to bring about the modern healthcare industry. Basically how it worked prior to FDR ruining things was doctors had sliding scale fees and people just payed what they could afford and it was expected to be that way
When Trump was asked what did he plan to replace Obamacare with, Trump replied he had a concept of a plan. This is after 60 attempts and 8 years Trump and the Republicans have been trying to eliminate Obamacare.
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When Trump was asked what did he plan to replace Obamacare with, Trump replied he had a concept of a plan.
Of course he did, however the plan being floated around was practically the same thing and in fact since so many of those changes happened in the last 4 years anyway we essentially have already replaced obamacare with teumpcare. Actually read some of the plans being floated around
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Never miss a beat on the Orangemanbad huh.

TDS NPCs will make anything about him if it’s negative.
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Didn't you say you could shoot somebody and not lose any DA votes?
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Never miss a beat on the Orangemanbad huh.

TDS NPCs will make anything about him if it’s negative.
Even women cannot say anything positive about Trump. Several have even sued him.
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Probably an out of context quote, and I’m not gonna bother with you
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Nor will I bother with you either
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Didn't you say you could shoot somebody and not lose any DA votes?
I am not sure why liberals think that quote means Trump intends to shoot somebody on 5th Ave instead of the much more reaso able belief that it means he could shoot somebody on 5th Avenue and that his voters are still loyal enough where it wouldn't change their vote
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Didn't you say you could shoot somebody and not lose any DA votes?
I am not sure why liberals think that quote means Trump intends to shoot somebody on 5th Ave instead of the much more reaso able belief that it means he could shoot somebody on 5th Avenue and that his voters are still loyal enough where it wouldn't change their vote
Clearly, what he was saying is that his followers are lawless and morally bankrupt.
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Clearly, what he was saying is that his followers are lawless and morally bankrupt.
What's the alternative though? One way to vote improves the country but you voted for somebody who shot somebody on 5th Ave. The other way at the time you also vote for a murderer but the country gets worse. 
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Clearly, what he was saying is that his followers are lawless and morally bankrupt.
What's the alternative though? One way to vote improves the country but you voted for somebody who shot somebody on 5th Ave. The other way at the time you also vote for a murderer but the country gets worse.
No one is above the law, not even Trump.
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Presidential pardons by definition are above the law.
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->@<<<Shila>>>
Presidential pardons by definition are above the law.
presidential pardons are defined in the Constitution.
The pardon power of the president is based on Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution, which provides: The President ... shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of impeachment.
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Actually bidens son is above the law
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My impression of people defending the ceo of united Healthcare

Don't offer contracts that just say "we pay the full price" 

Collude with medical providers to jack up prices 

Sorry you went to a doctor who was out of system after you got run over by a semi-truck and were flown to the nearest hospital so you'll have to pay all $750,000 of costs yourself 

Nooooo how can you say someone should die for continuing to perpetuate this system?
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What's the alternative though? 
You mean the alternative to democracy, that would be a fascist dictator.

Small price to pay to get the price of eggs down.
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Let me know when you get your double-wide.
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You mean the alternative to democracy, that would be a fascist dictator.
How would him murdering somebody on 5th Avenue make him any more of a dictator than Hillary who is responsible for a lot more deaths. Not that voting her is anti democratic either.
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@<<<Shila>>>
Actually bidens son is above the law
Biden’s presidential pardon of his son Hunter Biden is constitutional.
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Let me know when you get your double-wide.
I will not be allowing you to move in with me when I do.