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@Mall
Right atheists believe in no existence of God the spirit, exactly.
Atheists do not believe in the existence of God. Hence they are called atheist.
Atheists that believe no God exists due to no evidence known is a weak basis.
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@Mall
This is why they resist saying they believe there is no god. Sounds too much like having the faith, having the religion. So they like saying "lack of belief"
We say we lack belief because that is the correct set of words to most accurately describe our position.
There are plenty of god concepts I will tell you don't exist, like an all powerful all loving god who created a place of torment and torture for us to spend all eternity if we disobey him, as just one example. I could sit here all day giving more examples, but that is utterly pointless since you will probably just tell me they aren't the god you pray to.
The reason I can't tell you no god exists is because there is no possible way for me to rule out every possibility, I just don't have the kind of access I would need to make that assessment.
So at the end of the day what makes me an atheist is that I believe in critical thinking, which when used properly doesn't permit faith as a basis for anything. Critical thinking however, is not as religion.
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@Mall
Let's make it easier .Does an atheist believe there is the spirit of God?Yes or no.
Ya know what? Sure thing, I don't mind changing the question. But I am not changing the conditions.
Set A:
Does an atheist believe there is the spirit of God? Yes.
Does an atheist believe there is the spirit of God? No.
Set B:
Does an agnostic believe there is the spirit of God? Yes.
Does an agnostic believe there is the spirit of God? No.
Are you willing to make the same promise I am asking for and agree to the same conditions I've written? Only difference being that Set A and Set B have been changed to match your new question and dichotomy. ("agnostic" here is still specifically your definition/classification of "agnostic") My condition is that you hold yourself to the same standards you hold me to.
Alternatively you could just answer the question in Set B with a yes or no and I answer after you. But if you want me to answer first, I don't mind as long as you agree to my terms.
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@Mall
Are you the one that said Jesus is not in the old testament?
I am. But lets stick to the misunderstood false contradictions you introduced to your thread. Here >> #80 Here>> #88 and Here>#105 that you claim to be able to debunk or prove to be misunderstood and or false.
You keep missing this >
Here>> So you are claiming then that anyone that highlights biblical contradictions you can explain why the charge is false and prove the charge to be false?#88
This no evidence that has ummm, been collected over all human existence is a weak basis to then pick a single religious group in wich you are to follow and ummm, apply to ya life for the remainder of you existence NO QUESTION ASKED.
This claiming of a ( thing / s ) existence and "taking" / having / thinking you have NEVERENDING TIME × 10 to prove it is ummmm
Pursuptuas
Pursuptuas. ( is that the word ? )
Buttt its rude.
Its like ya started a game of godsie and had no intentions of proving it.
Its.
Well.
Its anti science.
Soooooooo, with this in mind.
I AM HAPPY TO OFFER AN EXTENTION ON TIME IF YOU WILL FOR THE THEISTS TO PROVE A GOD OR GODS. EXISTS.
Until then , i have to be Agnostic and just pretend im a Atheist.
Beccccccccauussseeee, proffin
Proving god or gods NOT / NON Existence is , well.
Its difficult to say the least.
Slooooooooo.
Lets make a game of it.
You theists can have 5000 more years extension.
Ifffff god isn't proved in this time period.
Then the Atheists take the WIN.
FAIR. ?
Thats fair right?
If this was put into place i can then be a Atheist today.
But noooooo
Oh and if you talking bout " position, " agnosticism is the platform.
And the hardest thing about be agnostic is the knowing that,God either
( A ) Exists
Orrrrrrrr
( B ) DOSE NOT EXIST.
Thats
A
Or mutha fucking
B
Its one of em right.
Ps.
Please tell me you theists are in the process of proving God exists.
As it almost fells like.
It ALMOST feels like.
you guys are not to interested in " proving " god exists.
But yeah .
Please Take ya NEVERENDING time proving god exists guys.
Wankers.
The whole sun being worshiped as a god for the thousands of years it has been and still is.
Into the
If i can prove the sun exist. ( wich i can )
Thennnnnnn , should i still be call a atheist ?
With ( * ) diffrent denominations of Christians,
And you to choose / pick one. Anddddd go with it until ya die .
Is ummmm.
Its Deplorable.
* im not going to type the real number of different types of Christians assssssss, im not here to make fun of you guys.
But We alllllllll know that fucking horrible number of ( Christian denominations. )
Lets just say , ya cant count em on your fingers.
Say no more.
Butttttt picking one from * .
Horrible.
Horrible.
Its beyond ( A bad basis )
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@Deb-8-a-bull
With ( * ) diffrent denominations of Christians,And you to choose / pick one. Anddddd go with it until ya die .Is ummmm.Its Deplorable.* im not going to type the real number of different types of Christians assssssss, im not here to make fun of you guys.But We alllllllll know that fucking horrible number of ( Christian denominations. )Lets just say , ya cant count em on your fingers.Say no more.Butttttt picking one from * .Horrible.Horrible.Its beyond ( A bad basis )
There are some 30,000 denominations of Christians. In total there are 2 billion Christians. They all agree they are Christians.
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@Shila
* = 30,000.
But dont type it out loud.
Instead of saying 30k i say.
Easy Over one whole dozen diff denoms.
The Christians know full well 30,000 is the number.
That has to be painful.
If i was a Christian i wouldn't ever dare mention the number 30,000
If we asked every christian on site , ARE THEY CURRENTLY IN THE CORRECT RELIGIOUS GROUP ?
100% would say. YES.
SOOOO , lets say we've 25 christians on this site.
25 Christians picked the correct number,
Actually, a better way to explain might be.
If i said to a christians, i am thinking of a number between 1 and lets say 10,000 to be fair.
They would reply, 8971.
And I'd be like wtf . CORRECT.
Id be blown the fuck away.
Its fair to say.
Theists are TOTALLY AWSOME RELIGIOUS GROUP PICKERS.
Everytime one after the other.
They are SPOT ON EVERY TIME.
Toats fucking awsome.
I on the other hand cant help but feel if i was to pick a Christian denomination, id pick incorrectly like 381 times .
Then nailing it on the 382 pick.
Andddd not knowing i did
What im trying to say isssss.
I dont think id pick the correct denomination straight of the bat.
Hopefully.
The theists can teach us half wit atheists the correct way to pick the correct religious group.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
I on the other hand cant help but feel if i was to pick a Christian denomination, id pick incorrectly like 381 times .Then nailing it on the 382 pick.Andddd not knowing i didWhat im trying to say isssss.I dont think id pick the correct denomination straight of the bat.Hopefully.The theists can teach us half wit atheists the correct way to pick the correct religious group.
You are struggling because you don’t know of any other institutions offering so many choices over the same thing. Christianity has grown in Numbers because they keep adding more options and expanding their choices to accommodate various groups. But their core message all remain the same.
Juhovah Witness christians.
Seventh day christians.
Latter-day christians.
THEY ARE ALL EXACTLY THE SAME, BUT JUST DIFFERENT.
I know i am a , church down the road from my house Christian.
Im definitely not a .
Church 118km from my house christian.
Denominations of atheists.
And the atheist hierarchy.
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@Shila
Right atheists believe in no existence of God the spirit
Same difference.
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@Double_R
Hence you believe no God of such exists.
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@Hero1000
Just answer yes or no first, then we could get to everything else. No negotiation, just answer. If you want to avoid answering, just let us all know.
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@Stephen
Hey just check out that debate I said.
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@Mall
Just answer yes or no first, then we could get to everything else. No negotiation, just answer. If you want to avoid answering, just let us all know.
Why are you refusing the promise? All I am asking is that you put yourself under the conditions you're putting me under with the only difference being replacing atheist/atheism with agnostic/agnosticism for you.
How can you accuse me of wanting to avoid answering the question when you yourself are avoiding even promising to answer a similarly worded question? Just make the promise and I'll answer immediately, without added rhetoric or anything.
You're asking me to jump into the swimming pool? Ok, all I am asking is that you promise to jump into the swimming pool after I jump in. Refusing that promise is not a situation where you can, at the same time, accuse me of being afraid of jumping in.
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@Hero1000
You're asking me to jump into the swimming pool? Ok, all I am asking is that you promise to jump into the swimming pool after I jump in. Refusing that promise is not a situation where you can, at the same time, accuse me of being afraid of jumping in.
Why would he want to drown in the same swimming pool as you, that is why he is refusing to promise to do so.
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@Shila
Why would he want to drown in the same swimming pool as you, that is why he is refusing to promise to do so.
You're probably not serious but I'll respond in case you are. His refusal to promise to jump would be the evidence that under his own judgement, his original premise (that I jump into the pool) is unreasonable.
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@Hero1000
Why would he want to drown in the same swimming pool as you, that is why he is refusing to promise to do so.You're probably not serious but I'll respond in case you are. His refusal to promise to jump would be the evidence that under his own judgement, his original premise (that I jump into the pool) is unreasonable.
If it was his premise that you jump in the pool, he still has to wait till you do before he can respond.
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@Shila
If it was his premise that you jump in the pool, he still has to wait till you do before he can respond.
That's fine, I am not asking him to jump in before me. I am asking him to promise to jump in after I jump in.
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@Hero1000
If it was his premise that you jump in the pool, he still has to wait till you do before he can respond.That's fine, I am not asking him to jump in before me. I am asking him to promise to jump in after I jump in.
Same answer. Why would he want to drown in the same swimming pool as you, that is why he is refusing to promise to do so.
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@Shila
Same answer. Why would he want to drown in the same swimming pool as you, that is why he is refusing to promise to do so.
My rebuttal to that same answer doesn't change either then. That refusal to make the promise shows that he himself doesn't think that the pool is safe. Thus making his original request for me to jump into it unreasonable.
I'll ask it in a different way, if by his own judgement jumping in that pool would drown the person jumping into it. Why would he ask me to jump into it?
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@Hero1000
I'll ask it in a different way, if by his own judgement jumping in that pool would drown the person jumping into it. Why would he ask me to jump into it?
To see if he is right about you, that you will jump in the pool.
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@Shila
To see if he is right about you, that you will jump in the pool.
Then that's just straight up unreasonable. Why would I follow his directive if he believes that my following his directive will lead to me drowning?
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@Hero1000
To see if he is right about you, that you will jump in the pool.Then that's just straight up unreasonable. Why would I follow his directive if he believes that my following his directive will lead to me drowning?
He believes you will follow unreasonable directives. You agreed to jump in the pool if he promised to jump in after you.
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@Mall
Are you the one that said Jesus is not in the old testament?I am. But lets stick to the misunderstood false contradictions you introduced to your thread. Here >> #80 Here>> #88 and Here>#105 that you claim to be able to debunk or prove to be misunderstood and or false.You keep missing this >Here>> So you are claiming then that anyone that highlights biblical contradictions you can explain why the charge is false and prove the charge to be false?#88Hey just check out that debate I said.
Ok. Give me the link.
Can you explain what you mean by " false contradiction"?
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@Deb-8-a-bull
I have a church down the road from my house.
It has a nice lot of bells.
Those old Christian folk used to spend a lot of money on bells.
It also has a very tall pointy steeple.
Taller and pointier than your average church steeple.
In fact, for a very small village, it's a very impressive church.
Must have cost a bob or two.
A lot of Jackdaws and dead people live there.
Get the fuck out of town.
Christians aint allowed in swimming pools.
( Swimming ) is using your body in a unatural way.
Thats a big fucken NO NO.
Romans 1 : 26 .
Actually.
A lottttt of things could be deemed as a Sin with the whole.
Using your body in a unatural way.
Breaking ya neck diving in shallow waters is a sin times 2.
Breaking your neck wouldn't be natural hey?
An ( unatural way )
the word anal appears twice in the above sentence.
Ha.
Ha.
Don't use your body in an unatural way is a funny way of saying.
Don't be Gay.
DBG.
Don't be gay.
Just .
Don't be gay.
Now im picturing a gay person swimming in pool.
A Gay swimmer is way worse then non swimming gays.
I mean .
Well , you know what i mean .
If ya swimming.
Ya sinning.
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@zedvictor4
Unfortunately Zed, that one down the road from your house isn't the one that you are in.
It sucks how God told you that The church two suburbs over is your guys. ?
You just need to put a application in to join.
To wich the response will be.
Unfortunately Mr Zee, we wont be accepting your application this year .