Paper Mario Chapter 2

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Why do you think you're alive right now? Why did the Mafia go for an unclaimed POE player instead of you, who claimed a strong investigative or protective role? This is a genuine question, not rhetorical.
This is what I was wondering as well. It's worth exploring. I personally didn't pick up on any hints to his role.  
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Casey's ability deactivates in LYLO, so the only way a quick hammer would happen there is if I suddenly changed my mind and decided to side with the Mafia.
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I don't remember her saying that.


Casey, does your ability deactivate at LYLO
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Also does it deactivate at MYLO?
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It was claimed here.

I've just realized, Skipped claimed Jailkeeper without claiming a target? I have an idea of who the best jail target would be, but I want to hear it from the source.
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Yes indeed. About to kill me on policy? Because you might as well at least discuss the implications of me telling the truth first.
Pie's the policy lynch guy, not me lol
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The win condition is that I win when either Town or Mafia reach their own win condition.
Can you joint win, or do you usurp the win condition by surviving?
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It's a joint win.

I'm not even entirely sold on Barney being Mafia, but I do think it's odd that he picked Magic on Casey the consensus Town instead of Shell, which very likely would have been protective.
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If I had to pick a partner for Barney that's not WyIted... probably Pie. I haven't seen anything that would really convince me off of him this game. Everyone else has at least something in their favor, in my eyes. But I don't feel I have a solid reason to be townreading Pie.

...Has he even claimed? Have I forgotten?
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Could we be at mylo right now?
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...Has he even claimed? Have I forgotten?
Nope. He probably should though. Usually it's pulling teeth to get that man to claim, so I usually dread it but I think we should be mass claiming this phase to puzzle this out. 

For the record I believe your claim to be 3rd party and your role, otherwise that's the ballsiest mafia move ever and it still more than likely won't work out, I just don't see you doing that if actually scum. I am not sure I entirely believe you can joint win though. Though we can do what we've done in other games and just not care if third party win or not and just hunt mafia. Doubt town would be sold on that move though. That said I would like to at least try to lynch one mafia before making the decision to lynch you, so I am fine with you living for this day phase at least. 

vtl pie for a full claim
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I'm willing to detour over to Pie for a while. He was very hesitant to claim in Mayday when we were wolfing together, but if I recall right, he did claim fairly quickly in the Bo Burnham game, yes?

VTL Pie
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I'm willing to detour over to Pie for a while. He was very hesitant to claim in Mayday when we were wolfing together, but if I recall right, he did claim fairly quickly in the Bo Burnham game, yes?
Yeah but he fake claimed lol 
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Yeah but he fake claimed lol 
Sigh.

You didn't answer my question, by the way - why do you think you're alive? I'd like an answer by the time I come back from work, thanks.
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What did magic do for you?
You mean you weren't told what ability Magic was? That's not how I know Dreaming God to work. And Earth didn't tell me anything, so your guess as to what it did is as good as mine. 
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The justification for being a Commuter is that I am optional, but very difficult to fight. (Frankly, I think PGO would have been a better role.)
Are you really an every night Commuter, or is it limited in some way? 
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@Cerulean
I do have lingering doubts on Barney, since my character makes it ambiguous if the theme split is "Bosses aligned with Bowser / Bosses who aren't" or "Characters aligned against Mario / Characters aligned with Mario."
Actually, that brings up a question I've wondered about. Do third parties typically fall on the scum side or the town side of the theme split? 
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Casey, does your ability deactivate at LYLO
Yes, I did say that in DP1. It deactivates at MYLO/LYLO. 

Could we be at mylo right now?
You think there's three scum? 
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Usually it's pulling teeth to get that man to claim, so I usually dread it but I think we should be mass claiming this phase to puzzle this out. 
Eh, I'm not really a fan of mass claiming on DP2 unless the town just gets lucky and kills scum DP1. I think behavioral and mechanical analysis ought to be prioritized. Both of those lead me to Barney.

Again, I don't like the idea of both a JOAT and a Dreaming God existing in this game. It just doesn't make sense to me, and I'm not sold on Barney's excuse for why he suddenly claimed it early. He could always just claim his role whenever he was able to actually log on to DART. 
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VOTE COUNT

Pie (2/4) - Lunatic, Cerulean
Cerulean (2/4) - Wylted, Pie



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Sigh.

You didn't answer my question, by the way - why do you think you're alive? I'd like an answer by the time I come back from work, thanks.

As scum, knowing they have a counter to me, they know I am not a threat. The enemy you don't know has the potential to be more dangerous than the one you do know. Blocking me seems like a pretty obvious move. I didn't expect to get any role utility the second I CC'ed mharman. 
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unvote VTL Pie

for full claim since i know he is stubborn and will need to be put at L1
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Eh, I'm not really a fan of mass claiming on DP2 unless the town just gets lucky and kills scum DP1. I think behavioral and mechanical analysis ought to be prioritized. Both of those lead me to Barney.


I suggest it because our major investigative roles are already outed, or dead. The only other thing I can think of us maybe risking is a potential protective role, and there might not even be one because mharman had a 1x doctor ability. Earth's prior two games only had bodyguard's also. If there is another protective role, I am guessing it's a weak one given the existence of the 1x doc. 
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unvote


they didnt block you though. They redurected you to me after you said you could cc one of mharmans claims (cop was one) . You also threw shade at cerulean prior to the end of the dp. So why redirect you if Cerulean is not on the scum team?

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Skippy claimed jailkeep
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Just to defend mharman a bit here. I get tracker and watcher mixed up all the time and I could see myself saying the wrong one
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they didnt block you though. They redurected you to me after you said you could cc one of mharmans claims (cop was one) . You also threw shade at cerulean prior to the end of the dp. So why redirect you if Cerulean is not on the scum team?
Like I said, I could have just been out right role blocked. Earths follow up answer said I would be told my action would fail if I was roleblocked. I guess I could have been redirected to you, but its just as likely that I was roleblocked.

Skippy claimed jailkeep
Yeah and he said he didn't target me. I still have to figure out whether I buy a town jailkeeper and a town ascetic. I might because of how OP me, whiteflame, and mharmans roles are together, maybe all the neg utility of you, casey and skipper makes up for it. And apparently a dreaming god, which hopefully casey can confirm when he gets back on. 

But yeah right now the biggest unknown here is pie. 
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You mean you weren't told what ability Magic was? That's not how I know Dreaming God to work. And Earth didn't tell me anything, so your guess as to what it did is as good as mine. 
Wait, you weren't given anything? 

Thats super sus. 
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@Barney
Were you told your action failed?
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Joebob has replaced Barney.