Paper Mario Chapter 2

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I am acetic, So I suspect lunatic was redirected to me, which tells me they thought he might be a cop. His other scum read was cerulean so I assume the redirect was to me so he would get innocent and clear her name. 
What’s your justification?
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Maybe you are right actually. Earth just responded that I wouldn't have been told if I was roleblocked if I had been. I need to ask him further clarity on that
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@Lunatic
Yeah so they thought you may have been investigative and redirected you to me,  which makes your mention of ferrules at the end,  essentially a nail in the coffin. 

vtl cerulean
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@ILikePie5
What’s your justification
Something nonsensical like I am a toy battle tsnk and therefore indestructible which makes me acetic instead of invincible or something.  

I don't get the logic.  
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Pretty obvious last 2 scum are cerulean and Barney so stop dicking around. 
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I’m missing the train of logic that specifically implicates those two can you explain better?
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Cause everyone else is obvious town. Who is scum outside of barney and cerulean?

Everyone else has clear town tells so it leaves no other options

Whiteflame dead eliminated the last piece of the puzzle. They should have left him alive
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Also the only reason you would be redirected to me is if they thought you were investigative and going to investigate scum as well, but mostly it is because everyone else is obviously town
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Unvote 

Still at work, will give my full thoughts later. Still uneasy about Luna's claim, but maybe Earth just made this game different from his others. 
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VTL Cerulean for full claim
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You need to full claim as well
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Wait, I just realized Mharman didn't even have a Watcher. Sorry, I skimmed through a lot of stuff. I think Luna is probably town in that case. 
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Maybe you are right actually. Earth just responded that I wouldn't have been told if I was roleblocked if I had been. I need to ask him further clarity on that
I re-asked the question he said if I was roleblocked I would be told my action failed, I just wouldn't be specifically told how my action failed. So yeah moot point
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Cause everyone else is obvious town. Who is scum outside of barney and cerulean?
Pie is still in my POE, and given that mharman did flip town, I should put aside my WIFOM reasoning for clearing casey and at least consider him an option as well. That said Cerulean and Barney are also part of POE yes. I still town read you and your behavior. 
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Don't wanna let skipper float either. 
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I have to say, I'm not sure why Mharman claimed basically his real role aside from being a Tracker rather than a Watcher. I don't quite understand the strategy there. 

In any case, with the CC basically cleared up now, I have a townread on Luna. CC'ing as mafia is generally very dangerous. I'd have to believe that Luna figured out that Mharman was probably lying about his role and went for it. It's possible, but I don't think it's likely. I think Luna was probably just being genuine.

Regarding Skipper, I've gone back and forth on him a bit, but I think he's more likely town than scum at this point. If his claim sounds good, he'll be off my radar. 

I sus Barney for the same reason he sussed Mharman - why would there be a Dreaming God and a JOAT in the same game? Doesn't make sense to me.

As for everyone else, I'll have to reread DP1, but they're all in my PoE pile. 
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I am Huff N. Puff, the leader of a gang of Ruff Puffs keeping Flower Fields cloudy and permanently overcast by my cloud making machine. I have the Jailkeeper role. I can target a player and protect them from any lethal actions and also roleblock them from committing any actions. 

I don't know how Lunatic's ability failed during the NP, but it wasn't because of me 


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VTL Cerulean

Since we lost Mharman, I think lynching needs to happen more quickly so we can get rid of a mafia. I am probably not going to be back on for ten hours maybe, so I would rather put in a vote now instead of waiting till later. Cerulean is still in the list of scum for me 
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Who did you jailkeep np1?
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I gave my claim for a couple reasons, mainly because I was inactive and would be pushed for it today under threat of death. Plus, this is a busy week for me, and I don't know what my powers actually do; so making myself a bigger target wouldn't hurt town as much as if an active player dies (that said, I've asked the mod if whiteflame or mharman are available to replace me).

My powers are tied to Jr. Troopa's forms he used to fight Mario. Each night I select a player to receive one. I gave magic to Casey last night. I still have shell, wings, spiked helmet.

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What did magic do for you?
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Who did you use your ability on
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I'm in the hot seat, hm? Time to make it a little hotter.
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I am The Master, and I am a Commuter Survivor. Which is to say that I am not Town-aligned, I win with either Town or Mafia.

The justification for being a Commuter is that I am optional, but very difficult to fight. (Frankly, I think PGO would have been a better role.)

I was considering fake claiming Lava Piranha, 1x Bulletproof, but considering that my true role all but directly contradicts WyIted, I might as well be honest.

If this gets me policy eliminated, c'est la vie. I didn't feel like wolfing for a third game in a row.

VTL WyIted
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Your are third party?
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I do have lingering doubts on Barney, since my character makes it ambiguous if the theme split is "Bosses aligned with Bowser / Bosses who aren't" or "Characters aligned against Mario / Characters aligned with Mario."

If any of you are paying attention to the wiki, Jr. Troopa is very specifically not aligned with Bowser.
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@Lunatic
Yes indeed. About to kill me on policy? Because you might as well at least discuss the implications of me telling the truth first.
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The win condition is that I win when either Town or Mafia reach their own win condition.
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The problem with entertaining him is that if we lynch wrong than a quick hammer on Casey will end the game. In case he is being honest though we should give skip 2 targets to jailkeep and have him flip a coin. We should also be prepared with our own quick hammer next dp. Since I believe the more active players are town me lunatic and pie than a town quick hammer could happen
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@Lunatic
Why do you think you're alive right now? Why did the Mafia go for an unclaimed POE player instead of you, who claimed a strong investigative or protective role? This is a genuine question, not rhetorical.
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@Cerulean
Who is a potential partner to barney,  other than me?