Paper Mario Chapter 2

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I suggest it because our major investigative roles are already outed, or dead. The only other thing I can think of us maybe risking is a potential protective role, and there might not even be one because mharman had a 1x doctor ability. Earth's prior two games only had bodyguard's also. If there is another protective role, I am guessing it's a weak one given the existence of the 1x doc. 
Fair enough, that's a decent point. I guess the only other person who hasn't claimed yet is Wylted, and he's town in my book. I won't put Pie at L-1 unless he becomes really stubborn, but I suppose pressuring him for a claim isn't such a bad idea. 

Wait, you weren't given anything?
Nope. Part of why I scumread him. 
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Actually, I see no reason not to place my vote at this point. It's not like we're at MYLO or anything. 

VTL JoeBob 

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Fair enough, that's a decent point. I guess the only other person who hasn't claimed yet is Wylted, and he's town in my book. I won't put Pie at L-1 unless he becomes really stubborn, but I suppose pressuring him for a claim isn't such a bad idea. 
He (wylted) claimed ascetic.

So we have an ascetic, a Jailkeeper, and a Commuter. Three roles that deal with preventing actions happening/ blocking. 
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@JoeBob
please clarify what your full role is, and what you (barney) did last night. Please and thankyou.
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rereading previous dps
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Catching up now
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Where did JoeBob come from wtf
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@Casey_Risk
Wait, I just realized Mharman didn't even have a Watcher. Sorry, I skimmed through a lot of stuff. I think Luna is probably town in that case. 
Hate this post by Casey
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@Skipper_Sr
I am Huff N. Puff, the leader of a gang of Ruff Puffs keeping Flower Fields cloudy and permanently overcast by my cloud making machine. I have the Jailkeeper role. I can target a player and protect them from any lethal actions and also roleblock them from committing any actions. 

I don't know how Lunatic's ability failed during the NP, but it wasn't because of me 
Who did you Jailkeep then, and why?

Also this justification is extremely weak compared to what’s in graveyard. Lunatic’s action also failed, and you have a roleblocker. 
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@Skipper_Sr
VTL Cerulean

Since we lost Mharman, I think lynching needs to happen more quickly so we can get rid of a mafia. I am probably not going to be back on for ten hours maybe, so I would rather put in a vote now instead of waiting till later. Cerulean is still in the list of scum for me 
Why? Explain your reasoning
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@Barney
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I gave my claim for a couple reasons, mainly because I was inactive and would be pushed for it today under threat of death. Plus, this is a busy week for me, and I don't know what my powers actually do; so making myself a bigger target wouldn't hurt town as much as if an active player dies (that said, I've asked the mod if whiteflame or mharman are available to replace me).

My powers are tied to Jr. Troopa's forms he used to fight Mario. Each night I select a player to receive one. I gave magic to Casey last night. I still have shell, wings, spiked helmet.

@Casey
What did magic do for you?
Did you townread Casey. If so, why not give shell? You can surely guess that it’s some sort of protection power
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@Cerulean
I am The Master, and I am a Commuter Survivor. Which is to say that I am not Town-aligned, I win with either Town or Mafia.

The justification for being a Commuter is that I am optional, but very difficult to fight. (Frankly, I think PGO would have been a better role.)

I was considering fake claiming Lava Piranha, 1x Bulletproof, but considering that my true role all but directly contradicts WyIted, I might as well be honest.

If this gets me policy eliminated, c'est la vie. I didn't feel like wolfing for a third game in a row.

VTL WyIted
Okay, so 

1) This has to be a policy lynch because the math isn’t on our side.

Right now it’s 5-2. If we mislynch here, game goes to LYLO (at 3-2) and Ceru can just vote with Mafia and win. We are forced to lynch him today.


2) Commuter + Ascetic + JK is way too many role failing roles 


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@Cerulean
If I had to pick a partner for Barney that's not WyIted... probably Pie. I haven't seen anything that would really convince me off of him this game. Everyone else has at least something in their favor, in my eyes. But I don't feel I have a solid reason to be townreading Pie.

...Has he even claimed? Have I forgotten?
I have not claimed, but I should since I think I’m the last one left.

I’m Goomba King and am a Vanilla. Justification is basically that he’s the first villain and it’s very easy to defeat him. I have no actions besides my voice and vote.
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For the record I believe your claim to be 3rd party and your role, otherwise that's the ballsiest mafia move ever and it still more than likely won't work out, I just don't see you doing that if actually scum. I am not sure I entirely believe you can joint win though. Though we can do what we've done in other games and just not care if third party win or not and just hunt mafia. Doubt town would be sold on that move though. That said I would like to at least try to lynch one mafia before making the decision to lynch you, so I am fine with you living for this day phase at least. 
See my math in my post.

Right now it’s 5-2.

If we mislynch today, it’s game over cause at 3-2 LYLO, Ceru votes with scum and game is over. If we lynch him now, we don’t have to worry about him and have more POE tomorrow as well. It’s objectively a good thing to policy lynch him right now.
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@Cerulean
I'm willing to detour over to Pie for a while. He was very hesitant to claim in Mayday when we were wolfing together, but if I recall right, he did claim fairly quickly in the Bo Burnham game, yes?

VTL Pie
I hate claiming in general. Bo Burnham I claimed my character early, but I’m pretty sure I claimed my actual role last.
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Actually, that brings up a question I've wondered about. Do third parties typically fall on the scum side or the town side of the theme split? 
Depends on the mod, theme, and design
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See my math in my post.

Right now it’s 5-2.

If we mislynch today, it’s game over cause at 3-2 LYLO, Ceru votes with scum and game is over. If we lynch him now, we don’t have to worry about him and have more POE tomorrow as well. It’s objectively a good thing to policy lynch him right now.

Yeah honestly no real way to get him to vote with us in a MYLO situation other than hope he sticks to his word. We might not have a choice but to just go to LYLO. 2 scum will still be alive, but at least the POE will be strong enough that it's very likely you will hit one. Hopefully. 
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He (wylted) claimed ascetic.
That's right, I forgot. 

So we have an ascetic, a Jailkeeper, and a Commuter. Three roles that deal with preventing actions happening/ blocking.
All that, plus Mharman's 1x Doctor. Got to be a fakeclaim among all that. Maybe even two. 
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Eh, I'm not really a fan of mass claiming on DP2 unless the town just gets lucky and kills scum DP1. I think behavioral and mechanical analysis ought to be prioritized. Both of those lead me to Barney.

Again, I don't like the idea of both a JOAT and a Dreaming God existing in this game. It just doesn't make sense to me, and I'm not sold on Barney's excuse for why he suddenly claimed it early. He could always just claim his role whenever he was able to actually log on to DART. 
I’m down to lynch Barney, but we have to be 100% sure, otherwise it’s game over. 

Objectively it’s best to lynch Cerulean here because we get added POE and we don’t have to risk a game over this early.
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Joebob has replaced Barney.
Okay this explains it.

Also, Earth has just ignored the fake claim question, so I presume he’s not going to answer. 
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@JoeBob
It shouldn't take you this long to be able to confirm your predecessors previous night actions lol. Go on, wake your mafia buddy up and beg him to tell you what to say
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Yeah honestly no real way to get him to vote with us in a MYLO situation other than hope he sticks to his word. We might not have a choice but to just go to LYLO. 2 scum will still be alive, but at least the POE will be strong enough that it's very likely you will hit one. Hopefully. 
40% chance we hit correctly 

From my POV there’s definitely one scum in Skipper/Wylted so the odds shoot up to 50% at least because I don’t think Ceru is lying about his role
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40% chance we hit correctly 

From my POV there’s definitely one scum in Skipper/Wylted so the odds shoot up to 50% at least because I don’t think Ceru is lying about his role
WE can try guilting ceru into not hammering with scum, as it would make for a boring game?
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WE can try guilting ceru into not hammering with scum, as it would make for a boring game?
I don’t trust him at all lol. Man’s a veteran and is playing 3 games at once. He probably wants to end this as fast as possible.
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@Cerulean
I’m down to lynch Barney, but we have to be 100% sure, otherwise it’s game over. 
Fair enough. If I were Cerulean, I'd be down to take the free win. 

Unvote 

VTL Cerulean
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@Lunatic
It shouldn't take you this long to be able to confirm your predecessors previous night actions lol. Go on, wake your mafia buddy up and beg him to tell you what to say
Barney told me that he used his magic ability is Casey. He said that my character is Jr Koopa and my role is dreaming god. It has magic as I mentioned before, spiked helmet, shell, and wings as abilities.
Im  at school, I’ll read the dp and post more after school.

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This has to be a policy lynch because the math isn’t on our side.
Fair enough. I'm not sure why I expected you to avoid the cowardly move.

I do think it's interesting that WyIted keeps insisting there must be a Redirector, not a Roleblocker. My initial impression was that he fumbled TMI and had to frantically go "actually, here's why a Roleblocker doesn't make sense," but he's still doubling down.
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Also, no disrespect, but this game is low effort compared to my other ones. I don't mind it taking a while to finish.

If I really wanted to end it fast, I would have concocted an excuse to vote Casey and give Mafia an opportunity to coordinate a quick hammer.
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going to bed soon. 

VTL Cerulean, he is calling us cowardly, so likely he wouldnt try to win with town now anyway.