Bo Burnham Songs Mafia DP1

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I think you're missing the broader point here. It's less the content of your argument and moreso the very aggressive nature of it, which is a typical scumtell. I'd associate a sudden aggressiveness from someone with them being likely scum regardless of gender or anything, all other factors being equal. The point is, we're trying to get claims from players here. I do want your claim, but I also want Pie's, and Mharman feels the same way. If you don't claim soon, you're likely just going to be lynched.
I don't think I am being aggressive. I am just being me. I reacted the same way when cerulean was pushing me too, I was town there. I don't think there is honestly any good reasons that I am being pushed, and no one is responding to my point logically, just saying I am being "aggressive" its pretty annoying.
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It's okay for her to be emotional guys. 

Like, seriously. 

I learned this teaching some female poker players how to be profitable. They use their emotions to their advantage not try to blunt them and being emotional, even if it's perceived as aggression is something I personally welcome. 
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Yeah, I'm not viewing this conflict from that kinda lens. Absolutely not. The fact that you would go for an argument so illogical is a sign of desperation. Did I note that you didn't really defend yourself with any good arguments earlier? I think I did.
I am literally repeating the point you just made. What are you so mad about?
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I am a reporter, because the internet gives us a little bit of everything all of the time, and we have the whole world of information at our fingertips. Each night I can select a player and I will be told if they acted at night or not.
Alright, I'll have to see if this gets CC'd, though I need to know: does it detect actions taken by the target or visits?
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I trust the people who are claiming that Banana is more aggressive than usual so I'm willing to push a claim. Im on page 6ish rn so im gonna catch up and all that before I put my vote so if they CLAIMED BY THE TIME ON PAGE 8 PLEASE PING ME
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I don't think there is honestly any good reasons that I am being pushed
IT'S just part of the game. It feels like anninjustice but town gets pushed more than scum and it's because it helps narrow down who scum is
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I already claimed!
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I already claimed!
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Claimed reporter a few posts back
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@iamanabanana
I am "welcome to the internet".

I am a reporter, because the internet gives us a little bit of everything all of the time, and we have the whole world of information at our fingertips. Each night I can select a player and I will be told if they acted at night or not.
Oh damn. I can see this if no one counterclaims. 

I'm down to revisit pushing someone of your choice. However I want you to answer one question: Is there anything that makes you townread Owen, Casey, or Whiteflame? If not, would you consider choosing them over Pie?

I want you to think on your reads here, because Pie's push on you is looking a little better now, because I don't like your defense now and am wondering if his push was understandable from a town perspective. Please take some actual time to think before giving an answer here. 10-20 minutes would be good.
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I have an issue with this statement. Seems extremely OMGUS. I backed off because I mistakenly thought what Luna said. If you had a scum read on me before I switched my reasoning, why did you switch it to null when I switched to null. Seems ultra defensive IMO and tbh out of no where. 
Tbh you were giving me flashbacks to DP2 of Years Mafia when you were scum and trying to push me as your target, mainly the idea of using faulty reasoning. In Years, you were trying to push me for supposed aggressiveness in pushing Wylted DP1, even though it was pretty clear I just wanted a lynch, and in the absence of a strong scumread on anyone, getting rid of dead weight just made sense. In this game, you were talking about how I was supposedly asking vague questions even though I wasn't, which I didn't like at all, but the way you stopped pursuing that line felt very unlike what I've seen of you as scum, so I didn't really have a reason to sus you anymore after that.
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Activity pressure =/= scum reading

Pushing people to be active by getting them to claim makes it so that since they are inactive, they will have a harder time thinking of a claim if they are scum. If they aren't active, then you lynch dead weight. Scum reading for activity is scummy and anti town. And Pie's basis for voting you is not just because he voted you. 
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I town read Casey now that I am forced to focus on behavior over the fake theme analysis. 

Whiteflame is hard to read. Slight town read but owen is null to slight scum
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Earlier I mentioned a bit of suspicion on casey, and owen was kind of mixed for me because he hasn't said a whole lot of anything meaninful. I kind of townread whiteflame, but ultimately pie is still my biggest suspicion.

As far as why you are suspicious of me you should re read back, because I was literally agreeing with you in the post where you said I was suspicious so I actually don't get why you are saying that.
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I don't love banana's claim but I am willing to keep banana alive to see it through. I will say it's not a strong claim and tbh I think I may have used it as scum one time, or was considering using it
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Pushing people to be active by getting them to claim makes it so that since they are inactive, they will have a harder time thinking of a claim if they are scum. If they aren't active, then you lynch dead weight. Scum reading for activity is scummy and anti town. And Pie's basis for voting you is not just because he voted you
I think everyone should at least take note of what Vader is saying here. I know I am.
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The claim is easy to test though. It just involves them reporting on the previous jights actions and seeing if it lines up with reality
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@Vader
Activity pressure =/= scum reading

Pushing people to be active by getting them to claim makes it so that since they are inactive, they will have a harder time thinking of a claim if they are scum. If they aren't active, then you lynch dead weight. Scum reading for activity is scummy and anti town. And Pie's basis for voting you is not just because he voted you. 
You are making a lot of assumptions about his vote, when he actually just voted you then dis-appeared. His behavior is 100% hypocritical. Him posting now does not erase the fact that he was bored and dis-interested when he was mafia a couple games ago, and seemed to be bored and dis-interested here, my original basis for scum reading him doesn't go away because he decided to be active in the last 24 hours of the day phase.
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going to bed now good night
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@iamanabanana
The presidential election is close and pie is very invested in it. I think he actually is not just a person who talks about it and votes but is somewhat active and the election is November 5th 
.I just personally am not going to overtime his activity until DP2, but you are correct that often as scum he seems disinterested
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@Vader
I don't love banana's claim but I am willing to keep banana alive to see it through. I will say it's not a strong claim and tbh I think I may have used it as scum one time, or was considering using it
I used it as a fakeclaim in my last scum game. I died because of it, but only because DD apparently can't read and thought I was claiming Watcher, which I definitely was NOT. Then he used his ability as a Hunter to take me down with him. Yeah, I know it's extremely petty, but I'm still salty about that. I'm fine with being caught for behavioral/mechanical reasons; that provides a learning opportunity. But when I get killed as scum for extremely dumb reasons, I get a little bit pissed tbh.

Anyway, I do think the claim is slightly on the sus side because of its simplicity, but in the absence of a CC, I'm fine with it for now.
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Tbh you were giving me flashbacks to DP2 of Years Mafia when you were scum and trying to push me as your target, mainly the idea of using faulty reasoning. In Years, you were trying to push me for supposed aggressiveness in pushing Wylted DP1, even though it was pretty clear I just wanted a lynch, and in the absence of a strong scumread on anyone, getting rid of dead weight just made sense. In this game, you were talking about how I was supposedly asking vague questions even though I wasn't, which I didn't like at all, but the way you stopped pursuing that line felt very unlike what I've seen of you as scum, so I didn't really have a reason to sus you anymore after that.
Ok so I am going to respond to this because I disagree with the notion you weren't making "vague questions"

How much familiarity do you have with Bo Burnham?
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I get the sense that someone is trying to blend in instead of getting the game going. You can all guess on who I’m thinking of. 

Discuss.
Are you talking about Pie or Wylted?
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Is your role something that you use in the daytime? Is it a voting role? 
#53

These were your first posts, which is what I saw. I can maybe give you an excuse for 53 and let that go. Maybe my wording wasn't right. Maybe fluff is a better term, but for the first 3 pages which I was catching and typed that, 50% of your posts were filled with these questions that didn't move game besides arguably that. It's not a scum read on you because I mistook Luna's logic, but to say I was pushing something not true isn't true
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Pushing people to be active by getting them to claim makes it so that since they are inactive, they will have a harder time thinking of a claim if they are scum. If they aren't active, then you lynch dead weight. Scum reading for activity is scummy and anti town. And Pie's basis for voting you is not just because he voted you
I think everyone should at least take note of what Vader is saying here. I know I am.
Then again, I will say that taking notes on why Banana's reason on Pie was bad to start with doesn't necessarily justify a scumread of its own. I do ultimately expect more logical pushes from Pie than I do Banana.

I've seen Pie uses TIs for pushes a lot, so I'm not gonna put it past him to be using Banana here.
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Do you want us to pressure Pie for a full claim? I will at least consider it.
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I'm going to Unvote at this point. I've seen a couple of versions of this role, one that mentions actions and one that mentions visits, though I think the idea is the same. In the absence of a CC, which I'm not seeing, I don't think lynching Banana is a good idea just for being obstinate and clearly frustrated, even though I don't love a lot of what she's said.

If we're going to figure this out tonight, I think we need to make a call on who to push next. I'm still fine with that being Owen right now. I know there's been some discussion of Casey and Pie, but I understood their sussing of Banana and I don't love that Owen's largely been out of the mix throughout this.

VTL Owen

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Can you tell me more about your thoughts on the others?

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Also Mharman is moving into my town pile. I feel like his breakdown of the game and trying to hunt down the scum in this game with long and well thought out posts read extremely town to me in general. I don't think scum would be willing to spill their guts out about their entire reads and game breakdowns and whatever
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I think owen is a good compromise lynch. I have zero reason to town read the nigga. 


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You too Vader. I've still got half a mind to ush Pie for a claim, but I want feedback on that first. If you have alternative target, I'm all ears.
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Alright I am getting a shit ton of pings right now that I'm going to respond too once I'm fully caught up. I got a bit too distracted and went off rails. For context I'm on mid page 7