Another school shooting in rural America

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@ADreamOfLiberty
Dead children are a small price to pay for our right to own guns.
Dead children are a small price to pay for the presumption of innocence.
Umm,,,OK,  I'm afraid I just don't speak dumbass, but I suppose that makes MAGA sense.

What the hell, children who sacrifice their lives for the "presumption of innocence" are suckers and losers anyway.

The important thing is more guns, more guns, more guns.
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We need to have the same firearms controls that Japan does. 
Japan’s strict firearms regulations have kept the number of gun-related deaths incredibly low—nine firearms deaths in 2018, for example— compared to the 39,740 in the U.S. in 2018, including 24,432 by suicide and 13,958 by homicide, according to a 2020 report from the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Violence Solutions.
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The low intellect Trump base doesn't want to kill fetuses but they don't mind school kids being killed.
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@Sidewalker
Dead children are a small price to pay for our right to own guns.
Dead children are a small price to pay for the presumption of innocence.
Umm,,,OK,  I'm afraid I just don't speak dumbass, but I suppose that makes MAGA sense.
I know you can't comprehend an analogy, that's why you're a left-triber.
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Yep. Someone needs to explain to the left tribe the up front price of freedom, liberty, and justice.

Or we could go full China/Venezuela and explain it the hard way.

The up-front price of Communism is simply your guns and a presumption of innocence. The later costs of quality of life get to be paid in monthly installments.
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1. Japan is not comparable to the US.
2. Studies that use gun deaths and gun crime as opposed to just death and crime are a form of deliberate cherry-picking.
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@FLRW
The low intellect Trump base doesn't want to kill fetuses but they don't mind school kids being killed.
Communism has killed far more kids than guns in American schools. This is why we won't allow Commala Harris.


I will gladly pull that trolley switch killing some kids in schools if it saves a million kids from communist genocide camps.
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The low intellect Trump base doesn't want to kill fetuses but they don't mind school kids being killed.
They are pro life for fetuses and sperm. They are not pro life for born and suffering people.
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Research is showing a decline in testosterone among Democrats.


Not really sure if Low I is worse than Low T.
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In one of the most fascinating podcasts I’ve ever listened to, the members of NPR’s This American Life got their testosterone levels tested.All of the males had very low testosterone; some low enough doctors would recommend medication.And a trans guest talks about how taking testosterone made them suddenly interested in science.

Doctors like to see men in a range of 300-1000 for testosterone.
The highest level at NPR was 270.Second place was 144.
And there were several below that.

That’s crazy, crazy low.
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Doctors like to see men in a range of 300-1000 for testosterone.
Doctors also think that vaccines work. Doctors also supported lobotomy. So yeah, doctors can clearly be  very wrong.
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When women have more testosterone than men, it's a problem. Pregnant women can have a T level of 300. Society just isn't set up to cater to all these passive males. In fact, it's likely they will be enslaved with no resistance. Do you really think Democrats really give a crap about men? They think all men are evil, regardless of T level.

No wonder many of these low T men practice mimicry and try to turn themselves into women just to survive.
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GP I remember that pic of you and your son. You were a lard ass among lard asses and he was a dweeby four-eyes. The fuck are you talking about T levels for, you're a hermaphroditic whale.
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Maybe it's some Elon Musk shit. Your kid do a Vivan too?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
It's not an either/or. Dealing with mental health does not exclude us from dealing with guns
No, it's the bill of rights that excludes you from "Dealing with guns"
The bill of rights doesn't exclude us from requiring someone to pass a background check before letting them buta gun. And even if you think it does that's an entirely different conversation.

I've never heard of a single lawmaker who's against gun safety laws come out with a mental health bill aimed at curbing gun violence
They aren't obligated to.
Yes they are. If you're going to pretend that we're in a mental health crisis which is the "real" reason people are getting shot up in schools and elsewhere regularly, then as a lawmaker it is your job to figure out how to address it.

That ultimatum ignores the fact that the suspension of liberty is itself a greater problem than crime
Yes, your ultimatum does because it was crafted to be ridiculous. As is the position that the right for every American to go out and own an assault weapon, buy a gun with no background check, or carry around a firearm in public outweighs the danger to the public these rights have.

Here is a suggestion: How come it's always bullied nihilistic kids, half of them with a history of psychoactive drugs? How about we let the kids who are being bullied not attend school
Please tell me this is satirical
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What advanced protective measures do we have to ensure that someone with a gun can't kill other people? I've never heard of such a thing.
Two words.
 Law Enforcement.
That's not an advanced protective measure, we've had that for centuries, as has every other nation on earth.

The issue with assault weapons is how much more lethal they are compared to say handguns or hunting rifles.
But that depends on the skill level of the shooter.
No, it doesn't. The lethality of the gun has absolutely nothing to do with the skill level of the shooter. If the shooter is not skilled to the point where he would fail to cause mass casualties with an assault weapon imagine how much harder of a time he'd have with a standard hand gun.

But then you're taking away the rights for those who aren't mentally ill to defend themselves with weapons of their choice. 
Again, this is the same tradeoff we make in every other area of our lives. Why do you hanger to remove your shoes when you go through the airport? Because some other idiots decided to hijack planes. Every rule in our society that limits things we are allowed to do was made on the basis that some people might be irresponsible with that privilege.

The golden rule of any civilized society has always been that the freedom to swing your arms ends at someone else's face. Your right to carry a gun on you might make you feel safer, but that endangers the safety more for every individual around you.

The government is to be a servant to the people. 
Yes, and they can start by listening to them. Background check laws poll at over 90%. The majority of Americans also agree with pretty much every other proposal out there, like red flag laws, an assault weapons ban, banning extended magazines, etc. Trying to frame this debate as  try he people vs the government is ridiculous. We are the government, it's made up of the people we sent there to represent us, and these are three things the majority of us want, because it's common sense that a society overflowing with guns will see more people getting killed by them.

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@Mall
So what do you do?

Eliminate and take away all guns. No doubt many of you believe bloodshed will stop with the absence of guns.
If a mass murderer walked into your school, would you rather he be armed with a gun or a knife?
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GP posts are like a homeless guy masturbating in the streets tbh, genuinely just repulsive. Just so shameless. 25,000 post lard ass loser posting about trans and low T and whatever other dopey loser esotericisms I can't bother to remember now, these sad incel ideas he comes out with sometimes. I dunno, man. Do us all a favour will ya?
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Thinks he's Will Smith in Enemy of the State is the problem. Just the dopiest, most deluded posts. 
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Maybe it's some Elon Musk shit. Your kid do a Vivan too?
You never contradict IWRA on the childless accusation. What's the deal here?
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@Double_R
It's not an either/or. Dealing with mental health does not exclude us from dealing with guns
No, it's the bill of rights that excludes you from "Dealing with guns"
The bill of rights doesn't exclude us from requiring someone to pass a background check before letting them buta gun.
It most certainly does. When the bill of rights enumerates a right, the only qualifications that may be checked are the qualifications in the bill.

The only qualification to vote is citizenship. The qualification to engage in political speech is NULL. The qualification for liberty is a lack of conviction by due process.

There is no qualification in the 2nd amendment. It implies that if you are sent to prison for murder it's your lack of liberty that prevents you from buying a gun, not a conviction. If there should be a qualification the constitution needs to be amended.


And even if you think it does that's an entirely different conversation.
No it isn't.


Yes they are. If you're going to pretend that we're in a mental health crisis which is the "real" reason people are getting shot up in schools and elsewhere regularly, then as a lawmaker it is your job to figure out how to address it.
The job of government is to protect rights. No other problem takes priority. This is a misdirection, the point is about the false dichotomy. "Solve mental health (magically though law) or we get to grab the guns".

No.


Yes, your ultimatum does because it was crafted to be ridiculous.
Evasion. You only find it ridiculous because you understand why the presumption of innocence must be a right. You aren't willing to sacrifice the innocent to reduce crime. What you are willing to do is irrelevant if you claim authority under the social contract of the constitution. What matters is what is in the contract.

I know you don't care about the contract, you only care about what you believe to be true, like me. The difference is I admit it. This is because you are dishonest.


As is the position that the right for every American to go out and own an assault weapon, buy a gun with no background check, or carry around a firearm in public outweighs the danger to the public these rights have.
I'm sorry you don't like the constitution, I have a few problems it with myself; but I'm not the one who thinks "it's the law, whatever the 'judge' says goes" is the end of the controversy.


Here is a suggestion: How come it's always bullied nihilistic kids, half of them with a history of psychoactive drugs? How about we let the kids who are being bullied not attend school
Please tell me this is satirical
It is not.
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It is not.
In our district, those students are removed from the general population. They have their own isolated wing.

Not all schools are like this.
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Maybe it's some Elon Musk shit. Your kid do a Vivan too?
You never contradict IWRA on the childless accusation. What's the deal here?
Really not gonna spill the beans on this? Actually dying to know now.
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When women have more testosterone than men, it's a problem
Maybe its a problem for you. Maybe its bothering you. I dont really care. I care about important things.
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He must be hiding a trans kid or something BK. Very strange behaviour anyway. How long you been pretending not to have a kid now GP?
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It's a society problem.
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I think GP is bothered by the fact that people can do what ever they want with their bodies.

I think GP is bothered by all the new things, women's rights, trans rights, gay rights, people being different...

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He must be hiding a trans kid or something BK
Trans kids deserve parents who accept them. Trans kids deserve parents who dont destroy kid's dreams and goals.

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I don't think your school is going to be happy hearing that you will gladly pull that trolley switch killing some kids in schools. 
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Definitely very worrying posts.