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Lynched DP1 

Wylted 

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In the year 79 AD, Mount Vesuvius erupted, destroying the cities Pompeii and Herculaneum. The eruption happened to preserve these cities and researchers even found graffiti on walls through the town
Just as Pompeii was preserved following its destruction, you will reveal to the town any and all actions taken towards you during the game following your death. Therefore, you are the Diary Writer.
The next DP following your death will have any actions taken towards you, but not who did it posted on the first post. You win with the Town.

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In the year 49 BC, Julius Caesar crossed the river Rubicon into Roman Italy. This action was all but an act of war and kick started Caesar's Civil War. Given how the year 49 BC set into motion for the future of Rome, you are the Motion Detector.
Every night, you may select a player to see if they acted, or if anyone acted on them. You win with the Town.

Mod note: No actions directed towards Wylted

1. JoeBob
2. Casey
3. Vader
4. Owen_T
5. Lunatic
6.Whiteflame 
7. Moozer

With 7 players alive, it takes 4 to lynch. The day ends 9/7 at 12PM EST.


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Alright, apparently a bunch of things to cover. I guess Pie died in the night as he anticipated, so at least we've got his reads to use. With that role, an active WyIted might actually have been useful, but I doubt he would have been the target of an y night actions since he was entirely absent.

Here's the updated list of claims:

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JoeBob - 64 AD - Great Fire of Rome - 1x Vigilante 
Casey - 53 AD - Roman emperor Trajan born - Vanilla
Vader - 530 to 540 AD - ???
Owen_T - 27 BCE - ???
Lunatic - 476 AD - Fall of the Western Roman Empire - ???
Whiteflame - 1453 AD - Byzantine Empire conquered - ???
Moozer - 80 AD - Colosseum complete - Alignment Checker

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Wylted - 79 AD - Mount Vesuvius eruption - Diary Writer
ILikePie - 49 BCE - Julius Caesar crossed the Rubicon - Motion Detector

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I didn’t use my vigilante shot last night.
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So, here's what I'd like to do at this point. To start, I'd like to get whatever result Moozer has. JoeBob, you will have to explain why you chose not to use your Vig, since there was only one NK. 

Apart from that, we need full claims from Vader, Owen and Luna, in that order, as well as any actions and results you may have. Please wait your turn if you're not first on that list. I'm willing to claim myself as soon as we hear from the first two. Vader hasn't even specified his year, much less the event that occurred, and Owen hasn't provided said event. 
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I didn’t use my vigilante shot last night.
Alright, why? Also, what are your reads at this stage?

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I didn’t use my vigilante shot last night.
Alright, why? Also, what are your reads at this stage?
I didn’t use it because I didn’t 100% scumread anyone at this point. Sure I slightly sus Luna for example for not posting much but his character claim, but overall I don’t really scumread anyone.

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Most people are a null since I couldn’t get much off of behavior as last DP was pretty dead.

Moozer- I usually see more activity from him, which confused me when he was pretty inactive last DP. Slightly sussing him
Luna- I explained above. He didn’t post much other than his character claim.
Everyone else is a null read.
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I didn’t use it because I didn’t 100% scumread anyone at this point.
I didn't suspect you would use your Vig, but it was an opportunity to role confirm yourself that now leaves you open to suspicion. Not using it has its own consequences.

As for reads:
Most people are a null since I couldn’t get much off of behavior as last DP was pretty dead.

Moozer- I usually see more activity from him, which confused me when he was pretty inactive last DP. Slightly sussing him
Luna- I explained above. He didn’t post much other than his character claim.
Everyone else is a null read.
It's fine that you're basing your reads on behavior, but I'd like to hear something about the existing claims. So far, we have 3 claimed roles including yours among living players, and 5 claimed events also including yours. Given that the Great Fire is akin to the Mount Vesuvius eruption and that you claimed relatively early with a confirmable (if yet to be confirmed) role, I'd put you pretty solidly in my town pile.

As Pie was mentioning last DP, Luna and my events are similar if distant in time. If you believe he's scum, then it's likely that I am as well.

You're lightly sussing Moozer as well, despite him having given the only other role claim that could be CC'd and having given an event that seems relatively obvious as a pivotal moment in Roman history. That seems worth considering alongside his behavior.

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I'm busy at work right now (working another 12 hour shift, kill me now), but I'll post more when I get on break. For now, I sus JoeBob a bit for not using his vig and sussing Moozer, who seems pretty town to me. 
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Also, I expected Pie to be 44 BC (when Caesar was assassinated). Crossing the Rubicon makes sense, though. 
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You're lightly sussing Moozer as well, despite him having given the only other role claim that could be CC'd and having given an event that seems relatively obvious as a pivotal moment in Roman history. That seems worth considering alongside his behavior.
His role and character seem legit, im simply sussing him slightly because of inactivity, although I get what you mean
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I'm busy at work right now (working another 12 hour shift, kill me now), but I'll post more when I get on break.
Ugh, I feel for you.

For now, I sus JoeBob a bit for not using his vig and sussing Moozer, who seems pretty town to me. 
Considering everything else about his claim, I can't say I sus him. I also expected him not to use it. I think whoever is scum made a mistake not targeting him, though. 

Also, I expected Pie to be 44 BC (when Caesar was assassinated). Crossing the Rubicon makes sense, though. 
Wanted to see if someone else mentioned this. I was under the same impression, and I think that's why he was killed - they probably thought he had a role more valuable than Motion Detector.

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His role and character seem legit, im simply sussing him slightly because of inactivity, although I get what you mean
Well, considering that you're almost certainly going to use your Vig this NP (both to confirm your role and because it's plausible that you'll be the target of the next NK), I think you should be considering all of this. 
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Considering everything else about his claim, I can't say I sus him. I also expected him not to use it. I think whoever is scum made a mistake not targeting him, though. 
Yeah, fair point. I guess I was just thinking mainly about how I would have used his role -- I would have shot Vader last night. Also, I realized after posting that that JoeBob is really bad at fakeclaiming.

I think you are onto something with your read on scum psychology -- I'd bet that scum also thought that Pie was 44 BC and that any protective roles would likely be on either Moozer or JoeBob. Not sure what to do with that conclusion for now, but I think it's good to keep in mind. 
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 Can’t really talk much now, I’ll be on in an hour or two and can go for the rest of the night.

I will say that I wasn’t active last DP just because I didn’t see that stuff was happening. I have a bad habit of not checking the DP unless someone tags me. Sorry about that.
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Alright. Hope you were more active during the NP…
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I’m a 1x. I didn’t use it. I claimed this back on post 51 of the last DP, so I’m not backtracking. 
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I’m sincerely unclear on this. Why didn’t you use it? What’s the point of holding onto it right now, especially when you were a very plausible target for the NK?
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Why... Did you not use it? 
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If it was a normal affiliation cop, I would have used it, but since it’s weakened in a certain way, I decided to wait at least 1 NP. 

If I used it just right I can make it a cop really, I just need someone that is town confirmed, or at least very town likely. I didn’t see anyone who met that description I enough for me.
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If it was a normal affiliation cop, I would have used it, but since it’s weakened in a certain way, I decided to wait at least 1 NP. 

If I used it just right I can make it a cop really, I just need someone that is town confirmed, or at least very town likely. I didn’t see anyone who met that description I enough for me.
I really don’t love this explanation. Your role is not a weak Cop, since a Cop only gives us info on one target. Your role would tell us if your targets were on the same side or not, which would at minimum reduce our PoE. If you’d gotten a clash, we would have one scum member down to a coin flip at worst. If you’d gotten both on the same side, being able to rule out two people as likely town (possible you’d pick both scum, but less likely) would still be a big deal.

As for getting someone town confirmed before you used it, that seems entirely unnecessary to get useful information. The best you could get is town confirming one person, and that assumes your other target is rock solid town. I’d say that’s not as useful as your role could be, or in this case, could have been.

I really have to ask, though: didn’t you think you were a plausible target for the NK? Were you just banking on being protected two nights in a row to make use of this? 
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I didn’t see anyone who met that description I enough for me.
Really, not even JoeBob or Pie? They were both very heavily town leaning.

Moozer, you should pretty much always use an informational role if you can. If you die tonight, it will go to complete waste. 
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I really don’t like that you’ve hopped on and offline at least two times by my count without posting. Just because we’re waiting for a claim from Vader first doesn’t mean you can just lurk until he does.

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Alright, I'm at my computer now, so I can be active now.

Your role is not a weak Cop, since a Cop only gives us info on one target.
But the thing is that it only gives you a little info on two people, not a lot on just one. 

Your role would tell us if your targets were on the same side or not, which would at minimum reduce our PoE.
But that's not for sure. I wanted to maximize the use of it. In retrospect, yeah it's a bit risky, but I stand by my decision. The choice was to use it then and not get much, or risk not getting anything to get lots more.

 If you’d gotten a clash, we would have one scum member down to a coin flip at worst. If you’d gotten both on the same side, being able to rule out two people as likely town (possible you’d pick both scum, but less likely) would still be a big deal.
Right, but if I waited, the role gets upped to a definite Cop, not a maybe cop.

Really, not even JoeBob or Pie? They were both very heavily town leaning.
Well Pie didn't really give me a lot to go on for scum or town, and Joebob was in that CC pool right?

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That's because I've had nothing to contribute but fluff.
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It's become apparent the Luna isn't going to be active much if at all, so not sure what we should do about that.

Nor has there been any activity from Vader this DP yet, so it's a little weird to me that WF is calling me out instead of either of those two.

Regardless, they've been doing a good job scum hunting, so I don't at all sus them yet.
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Vtl Vader for clain
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But the thing is that it only gives you a little info on two people, not a lot on just one. 
I wouldn't call what I listed "a little info". It's different, but it's not inconsequential.

Your role would tell us if your targets were on the same side or not, which would at minimum reduce our PoE.
But that's not for sure. I wanted to maximize the use of it. In retrospect, yeah it's a bit risky, but I stand by my decision. The choice was to use it then and not get much, or risk not getting anything to get lots more.
I'd like to understand this response because I just don't. You're saying it's not for sure that it would reduce PoE. Why not? The result tells you something about the two people you are targeting, regardless of what it is, which does have an effect on PoE. I spelled that out and this was your response:

Right, but if I waited, the role gets upped to a definite Cop, not a maybe cop.
This leans on someone else to provide information that locks someone in as town. Maybe you were hoping JoeBob would shoot someone (doesn't seem like it from your response to Casey), maybe you were hoping for some other alignment indicator role to give that info, but it was never guaranteed and looking at the info we have so far, it still isn't. What's more, now your odds of targeting someone who is NK'd have gone up significantly, particularly if you're targeting a town-confirmed player, so it's become more probable that the role will fail because your target is dead even if you aren't interfered with and you survive NP2.