I don't understand how anyone could think trump is smart

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Yes, Einstein was a hippie, like Trump.
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Even politicians who are very bad at it like Trump, Biden, Harris are better at it than probably 95%+ of the general population. 
Are you suggesting that Trump, Biden, and Harris are basically the same when it comes to sounding intelligent?
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Yes, I can’t tell who is more intelligent between Trump and Biden, Harris I would guess is more intelligent than Trump but by a small margin. They’re all likely in the 105-110 IQ range whereas Obama and Romney would’ve clocked in at 130ish 

Source: I made it up 
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Romneys education (Harvard law and MBA) and his business career speak for themselves 

I can’t remember where I saw it but I remember reading that there were so few black students at Columbia law at the time that using publicly released demographic data, Obamas LSAT was around 170 using the current scale which would be a hair above 130 IQ 
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He got a lot of money. Did he get that by being stupid?
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Yeah , not having half the money he has makes you a moron.
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He also lost a lot of money after he sacrificed his business to become president. There's a fine line between stupidity and bravery.
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Oh you said SOUNDING intelligent. With Harris that’s hard to say, I. her previous campaign she came off extremely badly but I thought she was just one of those people who aren’t really the best under the spotlight. I would probably sound like her in a national campaign. But for me to accurately assess her abilities as a politician she would have to take questions from reporters and do interviews instead of reading from a teleprompter, which she has refused to do 
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As part of his testimony to Congress, Michael Cohen revealed that, under the direction of President Trump, he had sent letters to Trump’s high schools, colleges and the College Board (creator of the SAT), threatening them with legal action and jail time if they ever released Trump’s academic records. Cohen provided a record of one such letter sent to the president of Fordham University, which Trump attended for two years before transferring to complete his undergraduate degree at the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania. 
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If Cohen was a genius, he wouldn't be used as a CIA outlet for disinformation.
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He also lost a lot of money after he sacrificed his business to become president. 
lol, being President is the most profitable business Trump has ever had.

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Experts claim the way Mr. Trump speaks hints at him having a small vocabulary, which is not a sign of intelligence.
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Yes,  CIA are experts at disinformation.
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Former Vice President Mike Pence can no longer laugh along with the farce.
“Our country is more important than one man,” Pence recently said. “Our constitution is more important than any one man’s career. On Jan. 6, Former President Trump demanded that I choose between him and the Constitution. I chose the Constitution. And I always will.”  
Pence has a lot of company among Republican politicians who fell for Trump’s scam and then recognized they had been played for fools.

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Pence who? Cohen is more relevant with his disinformation campaign.
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Pence who?
But Trump picked him to be his VP. That would make Trump a moron. Or did the CIA pick Pence to be VP?

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That would make Trump a moron.

"Don't care. Still voting Trump"
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"Don't care. Still voting Trump"
That’s why we call them MAGA MORONS 

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I think I see what you are saying. Trump can only con really stupid people.
You are a Swiftie, aren't you?
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No, the CIA does that much better than Trump because Trump is a moron.
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Yes, I can’t tell who is more intelligent between Trump and Biden, Harris I would guess is more intelligent than Trump but by a small margin.
That's insane. Even grade school children listen to Trump and remark about how dumb he sounds. He has the vocabulary of a 4th grader, he'll make a statement that was meaningless the first time and then repeat it over and over again to fill up space because that's as deep as he can get, he talks about everything as a contrast between "good people" and "bad people", and in 9 years as a politician I've never heard him go into any kind of detail on any complex subject. You can't say any of that about Biden or Harris.
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I guess you can say Harris is very smart to avoid the press that would make her appear stupid the first time she goes off script. Since she has no popular policies (most people reject her left socialist policies like price controls), vibes are her best campaign asset.

And in 9 years as a politician I've never heard him go into any kind of detail on any complex subject.
That's understandable when the only exposure to Trump involves snippets taken out of context. You know, the context that provides detail. Or you could double down on fine people on both sides, all Mexicans are bad people,  and ingesting bleach.

he talks about everything as a contrast between "good people" and "bad people"

You mean MSM snippets do that.
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Oh you said SOUNDING intelligent.
Not sure how this changes anything. We generally judge people's intelligence by the way they talk. A person's words are a window into their mind. Sure, in some cases when someone is nervous or speaking on a subject where they're out of their element we might need to consider such circumstances but with Trump he's been doing this for almost a decade and is the same everytime. The only time has ever shown himself capable of uttering a string of coherent and meaningful thoughts is when he is reading from a teleprompter.
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And in 9 years as a politician I've never heard him go into any kind of detail on any complex subject.
That's understandable when the only exposure to Trump involves snippets taken out of context.
Why are MAGA cultists so incapable of fathoming that people don't have to get their news from podcast clips and can just watch a speech or interview for themselves? Do you know that you can just use Google? Or do you think only podcasters have the original footage?
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I am sorry if I unfairly lumped you in the "fine people on both sides, all Mexicans are bad people,  and ingesting bleach" Cult.
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That's insane. Even grade school children listen to Trump and remark about how dumb he sounds. He has the vocabulary of a 4th grader, he'll make a statement that was meaningless the first time and then repeat it over and over again to fill up space because that's as deep as he can get, he talks about everything as a contrast between "good people" and "bad people", and in 9 years as a politician I've never heard him go into any kind of detail on any complex subject. You can't say any of that about Biden or Harris.
Whatever lol. One thing doing formal debate in high school taught me was how difficult extemporaneous speaking actually is. You think “a four minute rebuttal? Really? I won’t even be able to bring all my points in that amount of time!” And then you actually try it and you start stumbling over your words after thirty seconds. It takes a lot of practice to hone that skill even with a subject that you’ve prepared for. I can’t imagine doing it day in and day out about all sorts of random things knowing that it will be broadcast to tens of thousands at a minimum.  

I never said his performance is impressive (I even said it’s terrible by the standards of politicians!) what I said is that it’s way way better than an average member of the public would be able to do, which is true. It’s an extremely difficult skill to learn and many people would never be able to do it no matter how hard they tried. Idk how you can say that Biden is clearly so much better at this considering that like two months ago he lost a debate against Trump so badly that he had to drop out. Even before his severe cognitive decline he was known as a gaffe machine. Yet Biden is still capable of better extemporaneous speaking than about 95% of the general population imo.
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I never said his performance is impressive (I even said it’s terrible by the standards of politicians!) what I said is that it’s way way better than an average member of the public would be able to do, which is true.
I don't disagree with you that it's much harder than people think, especially when doing it in front of thousands or even millions of people. But for someone who's been doing it his whole life, it's hardly an excuse. And we're not just talking about standing up on a stage, we're talking about interviews, podcasts etc. There's never been an example during Trump's political career where he was "caught" sounding intelligent, certainly not on tape.

Idk how you can say that Biden is clearly so much better at this considering that like two months ago he lost a debate against Trump so badly that he had to drop out. 
Biden's problem is not that he can't speak intelligently, it's that he's old so he suffers from repeated "senior moments". That's why I keep pointing out that Trump never shows the ability to speak extemporaneously while sounding intelligent, it's just not within him.

And it wasn't Trump that beat Biden, please don't pretend that Trump was just so intelligent in the debate that Biden was forced to step aside to the superior debater. Biden beat himself with a few bad moments. Most of the debate he was fine but but then the impression had already been made so it was too late.

Even before his severe cognitive decline he was known as a gaffe machine.
Gaffes are irrelevant to what we're talking about. This isn't about whether either of them can speak without bad moments, the conversation is about whether they show that they have the capacity for deep intellectual thought. Biden shows this regularly, senior moments aside. Trump doesn't.
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I am sorry if I unfairly lumped you in the "fine people on both sides, all Mexicans are bad people,  and ingesting bleach" Cult.
Lumping everyone you disagree with into one category is what you do, don't be sorry about it, just stop doing it.

He did say there were fine people on both sides, and while he did try to say he wasn't talking about the neo Nazis that's just typical Trump playing both sides of the fence. There was no one else there he could have been referring to, certainly not in the images we all saw.

No on is claiming Trump said *every single* Mexican is bad, that's just your BS strawman.

The "he told people to ingest bleach" charge is deeply exaggerated and I've never framed it as such.
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Lumping everyone you disagree with into one category is what you do, don't be sorry about it, just stop doing it.

Why are MAGA cultists so incapable of fathoming ....

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the "fine people on both sides, all Mexicans are bad people,  and ingesting bleach" Cult.
President Biden was just explaining how he really had no plans to run for president again. But then… he heard the news of Trump saying “There are GOOD PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES” and that gave him the will to run once more… and to win!

So, just think— Biden ran for president based on a media lie…