I don't understand how anyone could think trump is smart

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And a not-so common disinfectant is uv light, which the president clarified at the start AND the end of that clip.
yes, and injecting light would be an equally stupid thing to say. He had 2 very stupid thoughts in this clip. Putting UV lights into the human body, and injecting disinfectant. 

Why even stop at bleach though, if you are going to mind-read the president, you should have gone full retard with formaldehyde, since it's pretty common too.
That would be a cool made-up story too.
Those 2 options are equally stupid. I would be surprised if trump knows what formaldehyde is though. So he likely didn't mean that.

This is just more of the same gaslighting and mind-reading as the word "bloodbath", even though the full context makes it clear to anyone with even the most rudimentary grasp of the English language.
Yes, it is clear to most people. But some people, such as yourself, choose to just ignore what he said and pretend he meant something else. 

Not only did he say it was uv light twice, but also repeated twice that the light knocks it out in 1 minute.
this is just sad. Show me how you "inject" light. cultists will just make any excuse they can for him.
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Maybe this is the Mandela effect working on your mind as you remember Trump saying the exact word "bleach"
Lol, this is sad.
I agree, you should stop.


We all heard him say that he thought injecting disinfectant (a common one being bleach)
Another is honey. Yet another is streptomycin.

Yes it is common to use a different word for the types of disinfectant agents that are used inside living tissue, calling the antibiotics, which would also be incorrect because viral particles are not bacteria and are not affected by what is normally referred to as "antibiotics".

All that nuance, the obvious fact that Trump was just repeating what he heard in the preceding presentation and nothing more sinister or stupid than that, gone; because orange man bad and bleach is one of a hundred products labelled as disinfectant.

This is equivocation (the fallacy), and even without resolving whether it is fallacious or not your statement

So what he really means is "bleach" (even though he didn't say it)
he definitely did say that.
Did you literally hear the words come out of his mouth?
yes. so did everyone else. 
Is false.

Now what do we know about people who ignore what someone said?
No, what he really meant was something else but you just didn't understand him. Cultists...

That's right, they're cultist. Glad we sorted that out. So, cultist, want help deprogramming?


"Yes Trump said heat kills the virus but please don't set yourself on fire" - CDC
Pretty much sums it up.
Are you sure you understand that comment?
Yes


They are making fun of trump supporters.
No.


They are saying that trump's supporters are so stupid that they need to be told not to kill themselves.
No, they are saying the deep state is so deceptive that they would take the true statement (which Trump would be merely repeating) that heat kills the virus as a prescription for immolation. That is precisely what happened when "disinfectant" was transformed into "bleach" by the propagandists, something you clearly believed without question and which (being a cultist) you will probably never disavow.


Trump, in this very clip, suggested that injecting a disinfectant, such as bleach
...or light


could cure covid
Your hallucinations are getting more detailed.


Anyone with a fully functional brain knows that would kill you.
Since you seem to be taking care of yourself despite full blown hallucinations and an epistemology that leaves you helpless against cult indoctrination I would say that even some people with less than fully functional brains know injecting bleach would kill you.


But trump supporters might just do it.
This is called gaslighting, and I'm afraid it's effectiveness is coming to a swift end.
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We're just going around in circles now, so there's no point in going on. But you have effectively answered my original question. Trump cultists pretend he's smart because they just plug their ears when he says stupid shit and pretend like he's really a secret genius who even though he said something moronic, he really meant this other smart thing... that he didn't actually say. 

So thanks for confirming for me.
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And a not-so common disinfectant is uv light, which the president clarified at the start AND the end of that clip.
yes, and injecting light would be an equally stupid thing to say. He had 2 very stupid thoughts in this clip. Putting UV lights into the human body, and injecting disinfectant.
Ignorant is talking about subjects you don't understand. Stupid is not understanding the difference between confusion, ignorance, and stupidity. Delusional is refusing to accept proven facts and substituting preferred beliefs for them, such as hearing literally "bleach".


But some people, such as yourself, choose to just ignore what he said and pretend he meant something else. 
Now now, don't project. You're the one who just proved you choose to ignore what he said and pretend he meant something else.


Not only did he say it was uv light twice, but also repeated twice that the light knocks it out in 1 minute.
this is just sad. Show me how you "inject" light. cultists will just make any excuse they can for him.

narrow-band UVA therapy administered by a novel device via endotracheal tube

If you feel yourself getting close to breaking, go find Double-R. His bigotry unflappable. No matter how badly his claims are disproved he will call it a meaningless "gotcha". Nobody can force you to leave your cult. This is just a "gotcha", it's all a trick. We nasty maggots are just trying to lead you away from the pure path. You are safe because nobody can make you believe anything.
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We're just going around in circles now, so there's no point in going on.
rofl, indeed. Time for the strategic retreat. Team rocket is blasting off again. Again, take lessons from double R, he's an expert at forming wide circles so that he can claim ignorance by the time the discourse loops back again.

So basically what you would do is deflect for the next three pages and then pretend like Trump said bleach and there is no way UV is a disinfectant that could be used inside a lung.


Trump cultists pretend he's smart
Moving the goalposts a bit?

Debunking claims that someone is stupider than a five year old based on a lie you keep telling isn't the same as saying "he's smart"


that he didn't actually say. 
We still talking about "bleach"? because that's what he didn't actually say; and yet you heard him say it. How long have you been hearing voices?


So thanks for confirming for me.
That's right, turns out your cult was right the whole time. No confirmation bias AT ALL. I advise you continue to back into the bushes, if I have the patience to keep Double-R from escaping the context, I can certainly handle you.
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this is just sad. Show me how you "inject" light. cultists will just make any excuse they can for him.
Again, if the world is going to end for you because Trump used a layman's term instead of the medical term "intubate"....
If you were to try and explain:
to someone, you probably would use layman's terms too.

Good luck with your TDS bro.

If you are gonna call Trump a "dummy" for not knowing the difference between the medical term intubation and "injection inside" when he was describing "bringing the light inside the body" ...feel free to mock him for not being a Doctor and using layman's terms. 

But he never came anywhere close in this clip to saying he wanted to inject people with bleach. He didn't even say he wanted to intubate people with UV light. He was only asking the doctors to look into it.

You claiming anything remotely close to the lies spread on MSM is the Mandela effect.
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Before I respond to your points, realize that I think that it may actually be impossible for you to understand why anyone would vote for Trump. My central point is that your thread deals with a very minor aspect of Trump’s candidacy. The major aspects in my view are the ones I mentioned.

“I will settle for a candidate who says dumb things”

this is a big problem. You are fine with a moron being the most powerful person in the world. 

I didn’t say that. That is merely your opinion of what I said.

The man who wonders if people should inject bleach and why you don't nuke a hurricane...

You’re making a categorical error here:  bleach is a disinfectant, but not all disinfectants are bleach. I was never concerned about people drinking or injecting bleach. I am really not worried about Trump actually nuking a hurricane, either. Trump actually says his unfiltered brainstorming out loud. What ever will we do? 

These are both minor points in the bigger picture I’m talking about.

  • did not have a catastrophic withdrawal from Afghanistan where no one is held responsible or is fired or resigns and when asked about the debacle, responds “That was four, five days ago!”

This is hilarious to me because it was trump's plan. His administration planned and carried out the preparation for the withdrawal. You blame them for being stuck carrying out Trump's plan.

This is the usual, tired refrain of the 30%, and it is “weak sauce.” Trump set the timeline; he didn’t dictate the execution. As I said, no one was fired over it. Trump wasn’t the one saying, “That was four, five days ago!” when asked about what he thought about desperate people falling out of the sky trying to grab onto an airplane.


  • did not have Russia invading a country;

this doesn't even make sense. 

Russia invaded a country before Trump’s presidency and after Trump but not during Trump. That is a pretty striking coincidence by any measure. Now, this is where you’ll say something like “Correlation does not equal causation!” and I’ll respond with “See Madman Theory” and you’ll say “What are you talking about??” and I’ll explain how Trump threatened to take out Moscow if Putin invaded Ukraine, and you will refuse to believe anything I say and so on and so forth… and back to what I said at the top of this post.

  • did not have Iran funding a major terrorist attack against a US ally.

I don't even know what attack you're talking about. But are you pretending like there were no terrorist attacks while trump was president? Also, how does the US president have anything to do with a terrorist attack in a country that is not the US. 

You cannot think of a major terrorist attack on a US ally in the last year? Yikes…

Hint: it started a war which is still going.

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This was an absolutely surprisingly accurate clip from MSM


This is why people say "don't care, still voting Trump"
And this clip was BEFORE Trump was shot at by his opposition.
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And this clip was BEFORE Trump was shot at by his opposition.
What a jackass statement 

The was some assortment of losers and misfits in that YouTube clip, like that guy complaining about a meatball dinner costing a whopping 16 bucks.

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My central point is that your thread deals with a very minor aspect of Trump’s candidacy.
how is the candidate being an idiot a very minor aspect?

The major aspects in my view are the ones I mentioned.
so the major aspects are things that aren't real?

I didn’t say that. That is merely your opinion of what I said.
I said he's dumb. You said that his intelligence (and lack thereof) is a minor aspect. Really seems like you're saying it doesn't matter that he's a moron.

 I was never concerned about people drinking or injecting bleach.
you really should be. People eat tide pods. People used a horse dewormer to fight covid. Trump cultists are not smart. And if trump tells them something is good, some of them will believe it no matter how stupid it is.

This is the usual, tired refrain of the 30%, and it is “weak sauce.” Trump set the timeline; he didn’t dictate the execution.
the plan had already been set. There was some tweaking the biden administration could have done. But major changes weren't really feasible. Trump had already put everything in place. I'm not saying there isn't blame for the biden administration. But pretending like that train wreck is their fault alone and not trump's is willfully blind.

Russia invaded a country before Trump’s presidency and after Trump but not during Trump. That is a pretty striking coincidence by any measure.
That's like saying, I ate at noon and at 5, but not at 3. That's a striking coincidence. The obvious answer is that no it's not. Russia invades countries, then takes a break to let the global outrage die down before doing it again. There is no evidence trump's presence had any effect on Putin's plans. 

 “See Madman Theory”
lol, your argument is that trump is so stupid and crazy and he would have ended the world and that is why russia wouldn't invade. My counter argument is that trump being president made it VASTLY more likely nuclear weapons would be used and we would all die. But we both know that Trump loves Vlad, and russia would absolutely not have been afraid of america with trump in power. All they would have had to do was give trump exclusive rights to build some trump towers in moscow and he would have let them invade whoever they wanted. 

You cannot think of a major terrorist attack on a US ally in the last year? Yikes…
My point was not that I couldn't think of one, it was that I don't know what one you were talking about. The right says that when migrants cross a border it's a terrorist attack. How am I to know what point you are trying to make?

Hint: it started a war which is still going.
I'm guessing you are talking about Israel then. And Biden is pretty much are Pro-Israel as it is possible to be. I fail to see what trump being in power would have had to do with that.

So the important issues you have listed are just bullshit. They are you dreaming about how the world would be different if trump were in charge with absolutely nothing backing up your dreams of what he could/would have done. It's just "trump strong, so trump good". 
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how is the candidate being an idiot a very minor aspect?

I said he's dumb. You said that his intelligence (and lack thereof) is a minor aspect. Really seems like you're saying it doesn't matter that he's a moron.
You are not comprehending the words I’m stringing together. What’s worse, I don’t think you wish to. I don’t think I can stop you from arguing with your misunderstanding of what I’m saying…

you really should be. People eat tide pods. People used a horse dewormer to fight covid. Trump cultists are not smart. And if trump tells them something is good, some of them will believe it no matter how stupid it is.
Well then, it should be easy for you to find instances of people ingesting bleach. In the meantime, I was not worried and have no reason to believe my lack of concern was misguided.

the plan had already been set.
What in Trump’s plan caused the poor execution? If it was known to be a poor plan, why was it followed? What DO you blame the Biden admin and DoD for in that withdrawal? Why wasn’t anyone held accountable and fired? What do YOU think of Biden saying “That was four, five days ago?”

That's like saying, I ate at noon and at 5, but not at 3. That's a striking coincidence.
No, I don’t think those are similar at all. It’s as if you have no concept of world superpowers, international diplomacy, and power projection.

lol, your argument is that trump is so stupid and crazy and he would have ended the world and that is why russia wouldn't invade. My counter argument is that trump being president made it VASTLY more likely nuclear weapons would be used and we would all die. But we both know that Trump loves Vlad, and russia would absolutely not have been afraid of america with trump in power. All they would have had to do was give trump exclusive rights to build some trump towers in moscow and he would have let them invade whoever they wanted.
You… did not look up “Madman Theory.” You don’t comprehend it at all. Your proposed counter argument and your “we both know” claim seem to be in direct contradiction to one another.

My point was not that I couldn't think of one, it was that I don't know what one you were talking about.
What other major terrorist attack which might have been funded by Iran against a US ally during Biden’s presidency was floating in your history filled mind? One can only wonder…

Here’s an article which you will probably deny how it undergirds what I’m talking about, but what the heck:



So the important issues you have listed are just bullshit.
Yes, I already predicted that this would be your response. Your retorts are so predictable that I could argue your side without your help.
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I don't understand how anyone could think Trump is smart.
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

They just bleat along with the rest of the flock.

No thought required.
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Luckily, most trump voters know he isn't smart, but he got the job done. 

Faith in humanity restored.
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Actually, he must possess a certain amount of smartness.

What he lacks is statesmanship
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But at his recent press event he was saying that more than 100% of job creations went to migrants. And it wasn't like he slipped and said the wrong thing. He stopped mid sentence, re-iterated it and repeated it more than once. Emphatically. What kind of moron thinks that more than 100% of jobs could go to anyone.
I agree with everything you've said but just pointing out that I see this example more in reverse - whereas you see a downright moron with a side of being a liar, I see this example as further evidence of what pathological liar he is with a side of showing what moron he is.

I am sure Trump knows full well that you can't have more than 100% of anything, the point is that he doesn't care. His relationship with the truth is fundamentally different than anything we have seen in American politics. When he speaks he's not trying to be factual or even logically consistent, the only aim of his words is to invoke emotions. This is why you will see him do things like claim the "real" unemployment rate is 'probably more like 20 or 30 percent or even 40%'. He does stuff like that because he's listening to himself in real time and realizing that 20 wasn't strong enough so he goes to 30, but that didn't do it either so then he goes to 40, which sounds terrible enough so he stops there. He has to keep going till it hits the right note of anger and inducing of fear.

Now if he had more intelligence he would realize how stupid what he says sounds like and have some sort of filter, but he is a moron so that won't save him either.

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We all here know Trump is dumb about a lot of things and we have also said here that Trump was dumb about a lot of things, but his actions were verifiably better than the status quo today.
Funny how unconcerned you are with Trump's abilities and claim actions are the only thing that matters, but when Biden was in the ticket all we ever heard about was how old he is. Apparently stupid or incoherent statements are only a problem them you're a democrat.

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Luckily, most trump voters know he isn't smart, but he got the job done
Trump got the job done? Only if getting the job done means almost causing civil war, lying endlessly and ruining economy.
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Well, a million people did die from Covid due to his incompetency.

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but when Biden was in the ticket all we ever heard about was how old he is.
How else would you explain the unworkable economic policies and foreign policy disasters? You don't think he actually planned the Afghanistan withdrawal debacle with a clear mind?

Regardless, he vindicated your claim already by resigning the ticket.
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Only if getting the job done means almost causing civil war,
That would only have happened if the bullet landed.

Luckily for most Americans, that job did not get done.
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What he lacks is statesmanship
Yes. If only he could start no new wars in a nice way that looks good on tv.
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Well he did make a foreign sex worker the First Lady.
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The entire talk of civil war only exists because Trump made it normal to disrespect everything and everyone, even elections. Everything is fake except Trump.
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Well he did make a foreign sex worker the First Lady.
Clearly, Trump is the hippie America needs.
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OMG, you came here on an Einstein visa, didn't you?
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Russia invaded a country before Trump’s presidency and after Trump but not during Trump. That is a pretty striking coincidence by any measure. Now, this is where you’ll say something like “Correlation does not equal causation!” and I’ll respond with “See Madman Theory” and you’ll say “What are you talking about??” and I’ll explain how Trump threatened to take out Moscow if Putin invaded Ukraine
There's is no evidence that Trump threatened to "take out Moscow" if Putin invaded Ukraine. And in fact everything we have seen from Trump emphatically contradicts it.

Even if we set aside the bizarre love fest Trump had with Putin after 4 years of never having a bad thing to say about him, the way he governs as a dictator, the way he kills journalists and political opponents, and the fact that Trump took Putin's word over that of US intelligence in front of the entire world...

Everything about Trump's foreign policy says otherwise. His entire philosophy is that the US stay out of foreign affairs, he wants to pull us out of NATO, he said if a NATO ally doesn't "pay up" he would tell Putin he could "do whatever the hell he wants", and he is strongly against the US even sending weapons to Ukraine. But this is the guy you think Putin is afraid of? This is the guy you think would attack Russia and sacrifice US lives to protect Ukraine?

You touched on Madman theory, the idea that Trump is seen by political allies as so unhinged and crazy that they're afraid of what he might do. That really is remarkable. You either believe you know more about Trump than the leaders of other country's, as if you have access to him in ways they don't, or you actually believe he is crazy and unhinged to the point he would take action resulting in our annihilation and would vote for him anyway. That's insane.

Going back to your premise; the fact that Putin invaded Ukraine before and after Trump but not during, the far more reasonable presumption is that Putin always planned to invade Ukraine but was waiting for a second Trump term because he was expecting Trump to pull us out of NATO which would have made the global environment for such an invasion far more favorable. No contradictory arguments required.
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How else would you explain the unworkable economic policies and foreign policy disasters?
I think political hacks will find anything they can to attack and pretend everything he did was a disaster regardless of what reality shows. In these past 4 years we've seen record unemployment and record stock market gains, two things Trump bragged about endlessly, yet all you guys do is talk about how terrible the economy is. There's just nothing there to take seriously.

Regardless, he vindicated your claim already by resigning the ticket.
The implication of my post is that people like yourself are showing yourselves to be unabashed hypocrites. Biden's resignation had nothing to do with that.
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People underestimate how difficult it is to talk on the fly on a huge variety of subjects basically all day every day, often to a hostile or skeptical audience, without sounding stupid at least some of the time. Even politicians who are very bad at it like Trump, Biden, Harris are better at it than probably 95%+ of the general population. 

Trump has said and done some stupid things but his performance as a politician is well above what an average person would be able to do. The last election with two clearly high IQ and well spoken candidates was 2012 

Also:

But at his recent press event he was saying that more than 100% of job creations went to migrants. And it wasn't like he slipped and said the wrong thing. He stopped mid sentence, re-iterated it and repeated it more than once. Emphatically. What kind of moron thinks that more than 100% of jobs could go to anyone. 
This just is true. Their interpretation of it or what they’re trying to imply may not be correct. But in the past few years the number of native born people in the workforce has declined while the number of foreign born people in the work force has increased. So 100% of net job growth did go to immigrants. That probably has more to do with the massive baby boomer cohort retiring than policy but it’s certainly not a moronic thing to say. 
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But in the past few years the number of native born people in the workforce has declined while the number of foreign born people in the work force has increased. So 100% of net job growth did go to immigrants. 
3% unemployment and highest employment numbers in history.

Anyone who wants to have a job can have a job. Migrants simply increased as percentage of population.
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Putin always planned to invade Ukraine but was waiting for a second Trump term because he was expecting Trump to pull us out of NATO which would have made the global environment for such an invasion far more favorable. No contradictory arguments required.
That is John Bolton’s take on it, yes.