Also I legit forgot savant was even playing. He just needs to possibly full claim if he is going to fly this far under the radar
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@WyIted
Let's think about this for a minute. Why would any role, scum or town visit a widely scum read player or at least one in somebody's scum pool?
This is part of what I don’t get from your responses. Earth was not “widely scumread.” Three people had light scumreads on him at the end of the DP: me, Casey and JoeBob. You had hopped off of his wagon before he claimed, as did Owen. Casey’s dead and their role isn’t something they would use on a person they’re scumreading. I didn’t visit him. JoeBob hasn’t said he visited Earth. So what’s your point? That someone else might have scumread him and decided to investigate?
You said a person not admitting to visiting him was scum. It sounds like trying to set up a mislynch. Why would I scum read somebody if they came out on dp3 and give a list of their actions and one was they investigated earth on dp 1 or they tracked him or they jailkept Jim hoping to block an NK or any of 100 different things?
That’s not what I said. I said if no one claims to have visited him, we can assume that whoever did was likely scum. There’s a difference, which is that I’m acknowledging a reason why no one would out this DP, but giving room for someone to out that they visited him later. I think it’s negative utility if a town member doesn’t corroborate this visit and comes out with that information later, since it means we lack important information to inform a lynch this DP, but if they had a good reason to withhold until next DP then we should take that into consideration.
If he can confirm the person visiting him is town, than I see no issue with the person outting, other than that, I don't see any motive for outting.
I sincerely don’t get this. So it’s better for town if the person who visited Earth is left entirely unknown? How? I’m not claiming that the visit confirmation would be affiliation confirmable, but we need information, and so far, the only people who have hinted at any night actions (or lack thereof) are Luna and me. That may be enough info for you, but it isn’t for me.
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@WyIted
Sorry for not being as active. If whiteflame dies, I can confirm my role. However, based on what Luna said, I don't think we should be lynching whiteflame.
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@Savant
Sorry for not being as active. If whiteflame dies, I can confirm my role. However, based on what Luna said, I don't think we should be lynching whiteflame.
Interesting. So either your role was linked to me from the outset or you selected me at some point. Can you change targets?
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@whiteflame
I can be active a little later. Busy this morning.
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@whiteflame
I can but not until tonight.
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@Savant
Alright, that clarifies things. Any particular reason you selected me?
I have a gut feeling its wylted.
vtl wylted.
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@Lunatic
I might as well out it, because it was me. I have been hinting at it, even in my first response to earth. I obviously visited earth but since you guys are too autistic to read between the lines, apparently I have to directly state it.
Now let's lynch joebob and then you can explain exactly why you think whiteflame is town next dp
I think this post and my response to whiteflame made it pretty obvious, but you guys have thick skulls apparently.
My hints may fly over the head of noob scum but apparently that's not good enough
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/11561-heroic-heroes-mafia-dp2?page=1&post_number=12
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@whiteflame
It's actually because I trusted you, there's a bit more to my role that I won't reveal just yet.
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@WyIted
So despite your apparently not scumreading Earth based on the last DP, you chose to visit him anyway. Why?
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@Savant
It's actually because I trusted you, there's a bit more to my role that I won't reveal just yet.
Don't expect you to do so. I believe I know why you chose me, but since I'm townreading you, I'll keep that unsaid for now.
What does you visiting earth have to do with me gut reading you?
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@whiteflame
So despite your apparently not scumreading Earth based on the last DP, you chose to visit him anyway. Why?
You don't even know what my role is and I am going to need lunatic to really give a good reason to town read you right now.
Earth's lynch fell apart due to people not wanting to commit to him, and perhaps that is my fault for wanting joebob lynched so badly.
All this speculation about why somebody visited a player who got to L1 and who was at L2 with just hours remaining in the dp is antitown or scummy.
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@Lunatic
What does you visiting earth have to do with me gut reading you?
I thought you were piggy backing on whiteflames logic that nobody in town would visit earth a person who was almost lynched last DP and was indicating your gut was saying I visited him
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@Lunatic
Why are you gut scumreading Wylted?
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@WyIted
All this speculation about why somebody visited a player who got to L1 and who was at L2 with just hours remaining in the dp is antitown or scummy.
See, it's lines like this that have me very on edge about you, and I've been trying to express why, and apparently I've been failing. So, let's break it down.
We are at the start of a DP2 where we have no role claims on the table. We've got a couple of softclaims, but no role claims, and frankly, we don't even have that many character claims, since only you and I have given ours. That latter issue is especially odd given that several people have already expressed that the link between their characters and roles aren't obvious and given that we know there is no theme split, so this many people being this cagey about their character claims comes off as weird to me.
But that's really besides the point. We don't need character claims, we need roles. The absence of role claims last DP led us all to collectively sit on our hands and do nothing in the end, and while that may have been fine for DP1, that's not something I'm willing to accept now that we've entered into DP2.
So when you hem and haw about "speculation about why somebody visited a player," I'm honestly perplexed. How do you want to gain insight into who to pressure and/or lynch this DP, because so far, all I've seen you talk about is how gaining role information on a confirmable action is bad. I understand that better now that I know the role is yours, but we already know you're a visiting role and you've breadcrumbed that you have some investigative element. I understand that we're townreading Earth at this stage, and since you're the only one who has claimed to visit him, we can likely confirm (assuming no one else claims to have visited him) that you did, indeed, visit Earth. That doesn't clear you, no matter what role you claim.
Even still, I'm not asking for your role. I'm asking why you chose Earth as a target for it, which doesn't necessarily give me any additional insight into your role of choice. Did you just regret Earth's lynch falling apart? Why didn't you target JoeBob, who also got to L2 towards the end of the DP with your vote on him? Why is my asking for insight into your mentality anti-town?
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@WyIted
I thought you were piggy backing on whiteflames logic that nobody in town would visit earth a person who was almost lynched last DP and was indicating your gut was saying I visited him
Nice mischaracterization. Never said that or anything like that.
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@whiteflame
This isn't exactly an investigative role and maybe I will just claim it soon anyway. Usually the way I use roles is more to clear suspicious people than to catch scum. The reason being is that you will probably miss scum anyway so anyone who is null or town read by you, but is widely scum read by others is a liability and a distraction so clearing them is beneficial.
I can't exactly clear earth, but I will say that he should be on the back burner for now. I believe if he was scum, given his suspicion level and getting to L1, he would have probably carried out the NK.
Fuck it I am probably dead tonight anyway, unless my reads are way off so I will claim.
I am a tracker and Earth did not go anywhere. Meaning he is most likely town in my opinion.
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@WyIted
It's an investigative role of sorts, but assuming that that is your role and that we Earth knew he was visited, that does make it more likely that he's town. Can't discount the possibility that he's a Ninja or just didn't act (I could see scum trying to reduce attention on one of their own who was under suspicion), but I agree that he's in my town camp. This doesn't do much to confirm you since it only tells me that you visited him - I could see scum looking at his second post and believing that it was unlikely he visited anyone if he had a role that confirms visits on him - but since Tracker is a decently risky role to claim, I'd put you in my slight town pile.
Based on their softclaims (Savant's a little less soft), I'd say Luna and Savant are in my town pile as well. That leaves 3 people in PoE for me: Owen, JoeBob and Austin. I'd be willing to get claims from any of them at this point, and since we've already started a wagon on one (and his contribution so far has just been to bemoan the wagon in DP1), I'll join it. Looking for a full claim:
VTL JoeBob
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@JoeBob
Meant to tag you on the above.
i want pie to answer my question before i do anything.
Vote Count:
JoeBob (2/5) - Wylted, Whiteflame
Wylted (1/5) - Lunatic
Pie answered my question, though sadly it makes my role more useless than i thought
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@JoeBob
Roleclaim please.
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@JoeBob
Pie answered my question, though sadly it makes my role more useless than i thought
That should make this easier. Full claim.
I am IRon Man.
During the battle of New York in the avengers movie. A middle was coming to New York.iron man pulled the middle towards the portal, destroying the chitari ship.
Because of me being committed to protecting earth. I am the Compulsive Intercepter. Each night I have to investigate someone. Assuming no interference, any action that player did will be redirected to me.
and of course i win with town.
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@JoeBob
Who did you target NP1?
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@JoeBob
That does not make me feel any better about him and remember that Robert Downey jr. did black face