Heroic Heroes Mafia DP2

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Lynched DP1:

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Died NP1:

Casey - You are Perseus, the son of Zeus. Using a reflective shield given to you by the Goddess Athena, you were able to avert Medusa’s direct gaze, but at the same time, you were able to see her so that you could kill her. Therefore, you are the Town Reflector. Each night you may give someone a reflection shield, which will cause anyone targeting  the person you gave the shield to have their actions reflected back onto themselves. For example, if Player A targeted Player B and you gave the shield to Player B, Player A’s action will occur on Player A (themselves). The reflection shield lasts only one night (ie you must retarget each night) since you just used it basically once to help kill Medusa, and it cannot reflect the Mafia NK because you didn’t kill anyone with it. You win with the Town.

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Remaining Players:

1. Wylted
2. Whiteflame
3. Earth
4. Lunatic
5. Owen
6. JoeBob
7. Savant
8. Austin


With 8 players remaining, it takes 5 votes to achieve a lynch. The day phase will end in 72 hours on Thursday August 8, 2024 at 10:30pm CST.



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Caseys role is basically neg utility, since he would have been way more likely to mess with town than scum. I guess he could make a scum roleblock themselves, but since he  can't even block the night kill, its more likely this role would have done more harm than good. I guess if were gonna lose a town role dp1 that would be the role to lose. I am fine with that.
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Anyone have anything useful to report?
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Anyone have anything useful to report?
You have any thoughts on the pressure you were getting last day phase?

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ima move whiteflame into my town pile for now. 
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ima move whiteflame into my town pile for now. 
Any particular reason?
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I know someone visited me.
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VTL joebob

nothing has changed unless there are some sort of reports to give
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@Earth
know someone visited me.

I assume they have a good reason to. 


Do you know how many people or only that you were visited?
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It’s late, I’m heading off for the night. Two thoughts.

One, Casey likely used their role during the last NP, but it wouldn’t have prevented the NK even if they used it on themselves. If someone was redirected to themselves during the NP, now is the time to state what you did and who you targeted.

Two, Earth says someone visited them. I don’t want to speculate on the role he used to determine that, but whoever did visit him should also out themselves at this point, otherwise we’ll assume scum did it.
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Thinking about it now, I don't want to assume some nefarious mafia intent behind my wagon, so I think WF will end up in my town or null pile come day end.
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JoeBob (1/5) - Wylted
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Two, Earth says someone visited them. I don’t want to speculate on the role he used to determine that, but whoever did visit him should also out themselves at this point, otherwise we’ll assume scum did it.
I don't see any reason to out who did this. Presumably like half of us can visit and there was a train on earth last dp, so if Earth was visited there is a significant chance it was an investigative role. 
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unvote

something else caught my attention, but I am not dealing with it tonight. 
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ok let’s try not to go from 0 votes on me to almost mislynching me while I’m asleep pls this time
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Could whiteflame and joebob be scum buddies. I wonder if that's why we couldn't get the lynch across?

Now he is asking for a visiting role to out themselves, one highly likely to be investigative given the fact earth was one of the wagons last dp, while completely discounting g that Casey could have visited earth as well.

We can assume whiteflame himself did not visit by asking others to claim if they visited, so it assumes he is operating under the assumption thay Earth must be, being honest in this situation.

VTL whiteflame
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Could whiteflame and joebob be scum buddies. I wonder if that's why we couldn't get the lynch across?

Now he is asking for a visiting role to out themselves, one highly likely to be investigative given the fact earth was one of the wagons last dp, while completely discounting g that Casey could have visited earth as well.

We can assume whiteflame himself did not visit by asking others to claim if they visited, so it assumes he is operating under the assumption thay Earth must be, being honest in this situation.

VTL whiteflame
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Also earth is solid town for me right now. 

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I'm interested in WF's answer.
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I forgot you requested to be tagged 
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I have circumstancial evidence that I’d rather not reveal that hints to me Whiteflame could be town, though it’s not a bulletproof argument. It would still take quite a bit of selling to convince me he is scum.
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Then I'm fine dropping it for now.
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I don't see any reason to out who did this. Presumably like half of us can visit and there was a train on earth last dp, so if Earth was visited there is a significant chance it was an investigative role. 
So, let me see if I have this right: because there was a train on Earth last DP, a train that I will note largely fell apart due to a lack of information, your response this DP is to tell me that garnering said information is negative utility to a town that still has no new information? Really? I’m sincerely baffled by the logic here. Yes, there is risk to outing an informational role, but after a NL for DP1, which was done in large part because we accepted that more information was necessary before we commit to a lynch, it seems absolutely absurd that you would argue against informational roles providing information at this stage.  

Now he is asking for a visiting role to out themselves, one highly likely to be investigative given the fact earth was one of the wagons last dp, while completely discounting g that Casey could have visited earth as well.
I’m not discounting it, though I highly doubt that Casey would have used a role that protects the target on the player they were scumreading for much of the last DP. Why do you think Casey would have targeted Earth? For that matter, why are you using that as an apparent excuse for not asking a basic question about who visited him and why? Not every visiting role is an informational one - Casey’s flip makes that abundantly clear - so why are you just assuming that any claim to have visited Earth is inherently negative utility?

We can assume whiteflame himself did not visit by asking others to claim if they visited, so it assumes he is operating under the assumption thay Earth must be, being honest in this situation.
Hey, you at least got one of the purposes of my post. I am, for the time being, assuming that Earth is telling the truth because I don’t think scum benefit much from pointing out that they were visited without any clear effect. Most of the roles I can think of that would register a visit without providing additional details are generally town-aligned as well. It’s not a solid townread, but it’s more than I can say for most players in this game right now.
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I have circumstancial evidence that I’d rather not reveal that hints to me Whiteflame could be town, though it’s not a bulletproof argument. It would still take quite a bit of selling to convince me he is scum.
Interesting. I have a couple of ideas of where this comes from, both of which lead me to townread you for it.
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Haven’t heard from the three of you yet, would like to get your thoughts on the above.
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@whiteflame
why are you using that as an apparent excuse for not asking a basic question about who visited him and why? Not every visiting role is an informational one - Casey’s flip makes that abundantly clear - so why are you just assuming that any claim to have visited Earth is inherently negative utility?
Let's think about this for a minute. Why would any role, scum or town visit a widely scum read player or at least one in somebody's scum pool? 

You said a person not admitting to visiting him was scum. It sounds like trying to set up a mislynch. Why would I scum read somebody if they came out on dp3 and give a list of their actions and one was they investigated earth on dp 1 or they tracked him or they jailkept Jim hoping to block an NK or any of 100 different things?

If he can confirm the person visiting him is town, than I see no issue with the person outting, other than that, I don't see any motive for outting. 
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It is my birthday today. Whiteflame can confirm since we are friends on Facebook and also happens to agree with all of my political views.

Yes, even that political view that just popped into your head. 

Anyway, since it is my birthday. I declare who we should lynch today, and I want no resistance. 

I say let's go with joebob and we'll see where whiteflame stands tomorrow. 

unvote vtl joebob

also town list

Lunatic
Earth
Wylted

Neutral

Savant
Austin
Owen

Scum

Joebob
Whiteflame