Yet another example of dictator wannabe Trump

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Dictators famously plan to step down from office in the exact time period that the constitutional order demands.
He didn't plan to step down, he was forced out after his attempt to remain in power failed. Did you miss that?

And unlike in 2020 he won't make the same mistakes again, namely, he will not have career civil servants in place that will push back against his authoritarian instincts. He's already replaced Mike Pence - someone who I despise politically but at least values the constitution above Trump - with a Trump sycophant whose only qualification for VP is that he is a Trump sycophant who has said he would not have certified the election of he were the VP on January 6th.

That's only the first hire. A second Trump term will result in the gutting of the federal government of anyone who serves the constitution and replace them with those who serve Trump. Let's see how easily he'll get forced out the second time once he has turned the entire executive branch into his own personal task force.
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reinterpret his words
Oh, I am not REinterpreting Trump’s words; I am interpreting them for you as you clearly misunderstood him in this thread. But you seemed to basically get it earlier when Wylted phrased it this way:

He is talking about doing such a great job that it will make most people republican when they see all the good he has done for the country.
You: “As usual, completely making shit up.”

But then your question to me implied that you regressed back to misunderstanding. The point remains: talking shit (and his supporters know he is doing this) does not equal dictator.
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Having some level of border security.
Democrats already stand behind the toughest border bill in our lifetimes. Trump is the only person opposing it.

Abortion in states hands so people can self govern,
Deeply unpopular position not to mention nonsensical BS, but you're entitled to it

guns being legal but with sensible restrictions.
That's the democrats position, not Trump's

Using some form of protectionism so American workers are protected.
That's describes the democrats position, not Trump's

You can also see that Israel as soon as Trump was favored to win is now talking about seize fires and Ukraine and Russia are ready to stop the bloodshed and negotiate if he is elected.
lol so Trump gets credit for things the Biden administration is working out. If the left did this you'd be screaming TDS.
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lol so Trump gets credit for things the Biden administration is working out. If the left did this you'd be screaming TDS.
So he these deals that are happening in the final months of Biden's presidency and only after world leaders open up to talking to Trump are happening because of Biden?

If Biden could do it, why not 2 years ago?

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Democrats already stand behind the toughest border bill in our lifetimes. Trump is the only person opposing it.

This is such a meaningless talking point. If the toughest bill in the history of the USA passes and nobody enforces it as we refuse to enforce existing law now, then it's just a political scam for votes and power. They don't give a fuck about you or the public. So much trust has been lost and Trump is a symptom of that disease. Not a cause.
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I choose not to believe it because there was no evidence
a jury of his peers says otherwise.
The so called jury can say whatever they want, it does not change reality. That is why subjectivism is wrong and objectivism is right.


She told people about this long before trump was a politician.
Purportedly, one person, in private.

Also there was no time he wasn't rich and famous.


 the behavior of the pseudo-judge
lol, this is just sad. Just because they ruled against trump you attempt to downplay their credentials.
Against Trump? No against truth, justice, and The Constitution, in other words against his oath. Oaths he swore, oaths he broke bringing us to:

Downplay? No, absolutely cancelled and reversed. Nothing but contempt and intermittent rage remains.


You can disagree with their decision, but how could you even claim they are a "pseudo-jury"?
There is disagreeing with a decision and there is recognizing that the decision would not be possible to sane honest people.

Governments exist for only one legitimate purpose and when they fail at that purpose so spectacularly that there is no way to empathize with their thought process and no mechanism for redress and repair they are not legitimate governments.

This applies to the whole and to every element.

Much like a god, it's easy to attack the believer in government; for there are hundreds of governments you do not respect or obey in history and existing right now. In order to have a coherent position you must believe there is a reason some governments deserve respect and others don't. Therefore you cannot maintain that others cannot have a reason to do the same.

A judge is meant to interpret law objectively. A jury is meant to judge facts from evidence honestly and objectively. Both are meant to follow precedent and err on the side of liberty.

I do not care what these scum think, I do not care what the dare to call a court, I do not care about them at all beyond the military power they can bring to bear. The are enemies of liberty and too dishonest to negotiate with.


Not my law.
lol, you are bound by the same laws as everyone else. You aren't a special little butterfly who gets his own laws. 
I would kill to remove the constraints of what that manhaten pseudo-court calls "law and order" from myself and others. Please continue to believe that doesn't matter, it makes it easier to win.


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Having some level of border security.
Democrats already stand behind the toughest border bill in our lifetimes. Trump is the only person opposing it.
"tough" = instead of stopping them from coming in make it legal for them all coming it. No illegals if you make random entry legal and no rape if you consent fast enough. Genius.
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The so called jury can say whatever they want, it does not change reality.
1) they aren't "so called". They are a jury. By any definition. 
2) it does change reality. It makes trump an adjudicated rapist. That is a legal fact. Anyone and everyone call publicly call him a rapist and he can't sue them because in the eyes of the law, it is the truth.

I would kill to remove the constraints of what that manhaten pseudo-court calls "law and order" from myself and others.
So you're either an idiot who wants anarchy, or you're a traitor who want an angry minority to have the power to overthrow the laws created by the people. 
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I have actually seen MSM only reporting Trump lately as "liable for sexual assault" lately.
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 to have the power to overthrow the laws created by the people. 
State laws that charge you for federal crimes should be removed just as surely as Jim Crow.
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The so called jury can say whatever they want, it does not change reality.
1) they aren't "so called". They are a jury. By any definition. 
Jury - people who to the best of their ability weigh the evidence and decide on the elements of a criminal or civil case

Whoops there is a definition that excludes them.


2) it does change reality.
Well that nazis realy existed, but that doesn't mean jews need to all be killed. Them coming to a conclusion and that conclusion being true are two different things.


It makes trump an adjudicated rapist.
You are a rapist <- Me saying that doesn't mean you are a rapist. If you are saying that you are not an adjudicated rapist then your definition of "adjudication" doesn't include baseless assertions by random people.

I am saying that whatever credence is warranted by the word "adjudicated" does not exist for this clown pretend court. So you can say that "adjudication" doesn't signify anything of importance or you can admit that they weren't a real court and they didn't adjudicate anything.

I choose the former because if you let corrupt people delete definitions you won't have any left after enough time.

Pedo -> MAP REJECTED
Socialist -> liberal REJECTED
Court -> thin facade ritual over a fascist state organizing a mob lynching REJECTED


That is a legal fact.
It is not a fact, and if I let you redefine "legal" as "not a" it would be hard to communicate.


Anyone and everyone call publicly call him a rapist and he can't sue them because in the eyes of the law, it is the truth.
There are no "eyes of the law" if it does not mean "the objective meaning of the law" there are the eyes of judges and juries, and real ones could certainly allow him to sue for trillions. Whether that happens or not is up to the whims of chaotic war and politics. The outcome of which in no way proves the case one way or the other.


I would kill to remove the constraints of what that manhaten pseudo-court calls "law and order" from myself and others.
So you're either an idiot who wants anarchy, or you're a traitor who want an angry minority to have the power to overthrow the laws created by the people. 
"the people" rofl 6 people.

I can't betray what I have never sworn loyalty to and I have never (as an adult) and never will swear blind obedience to any group of people or organization.  My loyalty is to an ideal: Liberty.

That makes me more American than those so called jurors.
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The point remains: talking shit (and his supporters know he is doing this) does not equal dictator.
In a literal sense, no of course not. The question is how should we take him? The answer: we base it on what he's telling and showing us.

You: “As usual, completely making shit up.”

But then your question to me implied that you regressed back to misunderstanding.
It wasn't a regression to misunderstanding, it was a dismissal of a completely unsupported and unjustified interpretation so blatant it didn't warrant a thought out response.

The prevailing narrative you and others are trying to offer is that he's joking about his christian base not having to vote anymore because their positions will be so popular it won't matter. So if you're being serious let's look at it seriously.

First, the idea that this was a joke in and if itself doesn't pass the sniff test. This came in the context of him telling them how important it is that they vote or they won't have a country anymore. That's an odd point to throw in a joke, and nothing about his tone made it obvious that he was not being serious.

Second, the idea that christians won't have to vote to get what they want is beyond stupid. Christians aren't just a portion of the republican vote, they are the republican vote. There is no world in which them staying home and attaining power makes no sense at all.

Third, even Trump is not stupid enough to think he is going to do such a great job that the entire country will rally around him. His ire is with the evil democrats, he knows they'll be there in the next election. Partisan politics isn't going anywhere.

Maybe in 2016 you could have gotten away with calling this a joke by suggesting Trump really is that stupid to think this made enough sense to be funny, like when he said he was going to wipe out the debt in 8 years. But by this point he definitely does know better.

Humor doesn't work unless it's based on at least some semblance of truth, this is why no one makes fat jokes about skinny people, or why jokes about Biden's cognitive state were funny and yet no one is trying them on Harris. The only way you could hear Trump saying this and interpret it as the joke you offer up is to accept that Trump is so cognitively impaired that he cannot tell the difference between fantasy and reality, which is an odd thing to accept in the person you plan to vote for.
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Democrats already stand behind the toughest border bill in our lifetimes. Trump is the only person opposing it.
This is such a meaningless talking point.
No it isn't, it is the fact of the matter.  Trump has weaponized immigration, but that is all he cares about, he says "build a wall" but he doesn't actually build a wall, he attacks Obama and Biden on immigration despite the fact that they both did a better job of controlling immigration than Trump ever did.  

If the toughest bill in the history of the USA passes and nobody enforces it as we refuse to enforce existing law now, then it's just a political scam for votes and power. They don't give a fuck about you or the public. So much trust has been lost and Trump is a symptom of that disease. Not a cause.
In terms of executing existing immigration laws, both Obama and Biden did a better job than Trump, he separated families and put children in cages, but that was just to feed red meat to the MAGA base, but he failed miserably to execute a plan using existing law.  Biden drove through the strongest bipartisan immigration bill ever and Trump killed it.  In terms of either stopped at the border or deported illegals, Biden has been three and a half times more effective than Trump.  

Trump is all hat and no cattle, he gets his base all hot and bothered with racism, hateful rhetoric, and reality TV performance politics, but he uses immigration for his own needs, he has shown no interest whatsoever in actually doing anything about immigration for the country, it is only to serve Trump personally. 

Just like the big election lie, he throws out the immigration lie, calls people vermin, says we are under attack, he uses all the best racist and xenophobic tropes, and his supporters get an erection, but it's all talk and no action.

Of the last three presidents, Trump had the most open border.



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So he these deals that are happening in the final months of Biden's presidency and only after world leaders open up to talking to Trump are happening because of Biden?
Setting aside the ridiculoisness of presuming without any evidence that world leaders are suddenly ready to come to the table because of the prospect of a Trump presidency that wouldn't even start for another 6 months...

The idea that either of these countries is somehow scared of a Trump administration is just plain stupid. Trump's entire foreign policy ethos is to stay out of the world's affairs, the very thing Russia wants. He's campaigned on not funding Ukraine and even said (yes, out loud) that if our NATO allies don't "pay up" that he would "tell Russia to do whatever the hell it wants".

And with regards to Israel, Trump is attacking anyone who shows any sympathy for the people in Gaza branding them as being terrorist supporters. He said publicly that he wants Israel to "finish the job".

So both of these countries are cheering on the prospect of another Trump presidency because they think it will let them do whatever they want. To claim they are suddenly talking because they're scared of Trump is the epitomy of partisan hackery.
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So you're either an idiot who wants anarchy, or you're a traitor who want an angry minority to have the power to overthrow the laws created by the people. 
He doesn't recognize anyone on the left as people.
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Again, you have one side that lies and says "the border is secure"

And the other side that lies and says "we will fix the border"

One of those sides is going to win the election. All the Democrats had to do was pick the correct lie.
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This is such a meaningless talking point. If the toughest bill in the history of the USA passes and nobody enforces it as we refuse to enforce existing law now, then it's just a political scam for votes and power.
Claiming it's a meaningless talking point with a meaningless talking point.

Even if you could provide some anecdotal example of a law the Biden administration is not enforcing, that doesn't justify the belief that the Biden administration would not enforce the law they themselves called for, negotiated and supported.
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Biden actually helped pass the existing Immigration law he is not enforcing. 

The Immigration Act of 1990 was a significant update to the Immigration and Nationality Act. It increased legal immigration limits, revised the grounds for deportation, and introduced the Diversity Visa Lottery. Joe Biden, serving as a senator at the time, supported immigration reform efforts during that period.

Same old song and dance. Time to either switch the channel or turn the TV off.
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So both of these countries are cheering on the prospect of another Trump presidency because they think it will let them do whatever they want. To claim they are suddenly talking because they're scared of Trump is the epitomy of partisan hackery.
Why can't people just work on win win deals for everyone without fear coming into play. People dying is pretty bad. Also what is wrong with Israel finishing the job of eliminating the threat of terrorism?
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State laws that charge you for federal crimes should be removed just as surely as Jim Crow.
He was charged for falsifying his business records, that's a state crime
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He was charged for falsifying his business records, that's a state crime
and a misdemeanor 
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He was charged for falsifying his business records, that's a state crime
and a misdemeanor 
No, it isn't. Not when it's done in furtherence of another crime.
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Again, you have one side that lies and says "the border is secure"

And the other side that lies and says "we will fix the border"

One of those sides is going to win the election. All the Democrats had to do was pick the correct lie.
You can make anything into a conspiracy but sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar.

There are facts that tell the real story, and the real story is that Trump talks the talk, but it's been Biden walked the walk, and so did Obama, both were more effective than Trump in applying existing laws to the problem of immigration.

Trump did not pass any effective immigration legislation; Biden achieved a bipartisan legislation that was the strongest we've ever had, and Trump killed it so he could still tell his lies.

Those are the fact, I know you are fact averse, but nevertheless, in this case, the facts tell the real story.

Trump's lies turned it into a story about racism and xenophobia, which gives his base a woody, but it is performance politics over policy, and if you look past the BS at the facts, Trump has been totally ineffective.
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No, it isn't. Not when it's done in furtherence of another crime.
that's the "federal crime"
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No, it isn't. Not when it's done in furtherence of another crime.
that's the "federal crime"
The non-convicted, non-charged, not even against the law because the law doesn't say NDAs are illegal for candidates "federal crime"

Honestly acting like a state charging a federal crime is the biggest problem is confusing to me. Any state presuming guilt without charges, verdicts, or an underlying law is a much much more fundamental problem that prosecutorial jurisdiction.
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Lol the border is NOT secure. What are you smoking today.

One side that lies and says "the border is secure"

And the other side that lies and says "we will fix the border"

One of those sides is going to win the election. All the Democrats had to do was pick the correct lie.

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Trump doesn't want a secure border. Remember that Donald Trump urged Republicans  to reject a bipartisan Senate deal trading tough new border security measures. He is a low intellect conman. The only people stupider are his supporters.
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Again, you have one side that lies and says "the border is secure"

And the other side that lies and says "we will fix the border"

One of those sides is going to win the election. All the Democrats had to do was pick the correct lie.
The whole point of having these conversations is supposed to be to discern fact from fiction, and reasoned argument from BS.

One of the ways a person can tell when someone is just not interested in that is when faced with legitimate points always seem to find their way to one form or another of "oh yeah, well people say I'm right".
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The Immigration Act of 1990 was a significant update to the Immigration and Nationality Act. It increased legal immigration limits, revised the grounds for deportation, and introduced the Diversity Visa Lottery. Joe Biden, serving as a senator at the time, supported immigration reform efforts during that period.
So which part is he not enforcing?
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what is wrong with Israel finishing the job of eliminating the threat of terrorism?
What's wrong is that they're not just killing the terrorists.

That is of course besides the point. Regardless of what you believe when it comes to what Israel is doing or how Biden had handled it, Donald Trump is objectively better for Israel from Israel's point of view since unlike Biden, Trump has only expressed full support for Israel to continue doing exactly what they've been doing even as they've drawn global commendation for it.

You claimed Israel is only talking about a cease fire now because they think Trump will be president. That flies completely in the face of any reasonable real world understanding of the situation.