Well, you have sounded like you think that's true for any role claim this game.
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@Mharman
Here are the only roles I consider a PR
1. Doctor
2. Cop
And if you are legitimately either one of those you would be a target for an NK the first night anyway.
If you are not one of those than you are probably just overestimating the impact of your role
Here are the only roles I consider a PR1. Doctor2. Cop
Is this a terminology difference? I use "PR" to refer to any role that has any active ability pretty much.
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@WyIted
I'm not overestimating the usefulness, trust me.
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@Cerulean
Is this a terminology difference? I use "PR" to refer to any role that has any active ability pretty much.
Lately on this site it feels like almost every role is active
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@Cerulean
Is this a terminology difference? I use "PR" to refer to any role that has any active ability pretty much.
It’s sorta a mix of your definition and his. Something like Tracker/Watcher would also be a PR, but something like say Hider wouldn’t be a PR imo.
(The reason I'm hesitating here is because I'm trying to intuit what Mhar is claiming to decide if it's worth forcing out or not)
If hypothetically he was town, it makes sense if he is hated town or PGO and just trying to do this. Maybe even popular town. I wouldn't consider those power roles just roles he might want to hide. I can't thinknof a PR he would want to hide this much
I guess if he can't think of a pr like that either it could explain why after saying it he is struggling to come up with a claim
I can think of a few roles that one might want to hide that become zero/negative utility when claimed. Caroler, any flavor of Veteran-like. Camp Cadaver's Park Ranger, though I somehow doubt that that one is present in the game. Maybe Babysitter, although that one doesn't actually become zero utility.
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@Cerulean
I have no clue what any of those roles are but am curious.
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@ILikePie5
Back off Mharman, dude. He's hinted at the importance of his role, and scum would have fake claimed by now. If we don't know it by d2 or d3, or he'll look sus.
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@Savant
Not after he literally took back both a role and a character claim. My guess isnhe can't come up with something or he feels there is too high a risk of getting CCed. There is not a single role other than a lynch activated role that I would want to use that I would refuse to claim after all of this.
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@WyIted
What claim did he retract?
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@Savant
He said he was jack shitt a 2023 horror movie villain and that his role was flying g pumpkin who shoots layers beams out of his ass, which is a real role
I'm learning so much about Mafia.
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@WyIted
You've gotta be kidding me. It was a smartass way of saying I ain't claiming. "Jack and shit" and is a phrase that means "nothing." The pumpkin role is the most ridiculous role I know about.
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@Savant
Back off Mharman, dude. He's hinted at the importance of his role, and scum would have fake claimed by now. If we don't know it by d2 or d3, or he'll look sus.
Scum would do the exact same thing. Put him at L-1. His utility is already done anyways cause scum now know he has a PR.
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@ILikePie5
His utility is already done anyways cause scum now know he has a PR.
Not if doc stays on him. But he might be the doc, and I'd rather scum don't know one way or the other.
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@WyIted
No offense, Wyl, but Mhar doesn't strike me as that incompetent. He wrote up an entire readslist earlier- I have doubts he would... what, hard claim a Vigilante-like role and then retract it like that? It reads a lot more like pissed-off snark.
(for the record: Caroler can grant an investigation result to someone but fails if they're visited, Veteran shoots visitors, Park Ranger heals visitors, Babysitter protects people but kills instead if they die during the night- all of these change drastically if scum team knows your claim)
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@Savant
Back off Mharman, dude. He's hinted at the importance of his role, and scum would have fake claimed by now. If we don't know it by d2 or d3, or he'll look sus.
He has 6 people wagoning him and is refusing to claim until he’s put at L-1. Just place the vote. We will see his claim, and then make a determination.
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@ILikePie5
He's doing what Luna did during the last game. I'm not going to push someone for a role just because.
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@ILikePie5
We will see his claim, and then make a determination.
Look at him setting it up.
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@Savant
Give me your reads list please.
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@Savant
Not if doc stays on him. But he might be the doc, and I'd rather scum don't know one way or the other.
If he’s Doc, he could probably self protect too. It doesn’t matter cause we don’t know what scum have. You can’t let someone get away from L-1 just cause they say they’re a PR. If they’re a PR, their utility is gone anyways, and they’re a top target. Town or scum can do the same thing and get away with it. It’s stupid
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@Savant
He's doing what Luna did during the last game. I'm not going to push someone for a role just because.
There is a behavioral reason that I already explained. If you want to back off, fine. We still have 5 people to place at L-1, but backing away is stupid and setting a bad precedent
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@ILikePie5
@Owen_T
This is a bit of a mess, to be frank!
This back-and-forth is sucking the air out of the thread, in my opinion.
Pie, do you have any reads at the moment that don't rely on Mhar being scum? This is an intentional redirection, to be frank- I've seen scum hide behind plausible-looking deathtunnels before. Humor me, at least for a few minutes.
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@Mharman
Look at him setting it up.
Lmfao, if your role is that valuable then I will back off. I’ve done it countless times.
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@WyIted
I haven't done reads lists as of late since they tend to give me tunnel vision. Are you asking because you trust my insight or because you suspect I might be scum?