UPick Mafia DP4

My role makes someone lynchproof, so it’s contradictory to Wylted’s role. Wylted essentially lied about shooting Casey and then shot Earth when Earth backed off on wanting to shoot me (admitted by Wylted).

Note how he didn’t even try to cop a person on his lynch train, and even dodged the question when I asked him last DP.

DP3 in hindsight I should’ve brought it up that my report stated only one kill and Wylted claimed he was  jailkept.

Looking like it yeah. Also now we know why your vig shot failed, Casey was a passive roleblocker

If the shot was used up in NP2, how was it used in NP3? The neighborhood had a shot. Earth would never shoot himself and therefore would veto a shot on himself. The shot had to have come from Wylted, who basically scum slipped in this post:

I caught Casey as scum lying about being a passive role and visiting Lunatic and got him lynched. Also, note Casey’s confession:

It's alright. To be honest, I didn't see myself surviving this DP anyway. I didn't see that watcher thing coming, though.

Austin, we have enough votes now. I'm out.

Note how he thought he was getting lynched even before my watcher report. The bus was on since the beginning before I even outted my watcher report.

If you think he killed earth then where did the moozer kill come from?

It really doesn’t make sense to me why you didn’t out this information then if you suspected him and Casey both as you indicated last day phase. Wylted not knowing why his action went through would have to assumed he was actively blocked or something. If he was scum and had a vig shot why hold onto it?

Why not just create a case for using it on someone else (like me for example, since he suspected me).

Seems if he was scum he would have used it and just justified why he was wrong about it, like he is doing with earth. He could have done that same thing last day phase and just killed me instead. Why go through the whole process of fake being roleblocked at all?

So if your trying to tell me that you think earth was wylteds night kill target that earth had to have used his big shot on moozer who was an innocent townie and confirmed dp3. Why on ewould earth do that lol

Also if you going to accuse Wylted of lying by hiding parts of his role you have to admit that you did the same thing as each day phase you have now claimed to have an additional ability that you didn’t claim having before.

Come on pie you know this is wifom logic. Under the assumption this is the bus, you obvious would have told him to say something like that to make it look like you aren’t affiliated. The fact that you are using this logic almost makes it seem even more likely he was told to say this lol.

Am I wrong or missing something here?

1. Pie is saying we should suspect Wylted for lying about his role, when our has added something about his role each day phase now. If he’s covering information for a not yet used role that’s fine, but it’s hypocrital of him to tell us to sus Wylted for doing the same.

2. Do you think a role like mine would also exist along side a role that clarifies actions passively as killing? Also shouldn’t that have made pie suspect me when I claimed this role early day phase 2? Why didn’t he mention his role along side mine then? What harm was there to do it?

3. He is trying to tell us that earth was wylteds night kill target and that your big shirt was used. If that’s the case where did the moozer kill come from? He said the second kill had to be by earths vig. But he doesn’t explain why earth would kill moozer. Why would we believe that earth would kill a confirmed innocent townie?

Is it just me missing something or is pies story not just full of holes here? Are you seeing the same thing I am?

There’s only one objective truth, everything else is WIFOM or he said she said: there were two people that died last night. Earth and Moozer. Earth was the executor of the Neighborhood. There’s no way he could’ve either shot himself or Moozer.

That means an NK was done by the last scum (likely on Moozer) and a Vig shot was used by someone. Wylted is the only person that had a Vig shot to begin with. And he scum slipped when he said that he shot Earth even after Earth backed off from agreeing in the neighborhood to using the neighborhood vig shot on me.

From Wylted’s perspective, why would scum Earth not agree to kill town Pie? Yet, Wylted still shot Earth. This proves that Wylted has to be scum. 

This is a clear scumslip as anything that was said NP3 in the Neighborhood is heresay (no one else can confirm).

Wylted is scum. Period.

Nobody was on it at the end of any dp. 

You know they can literally just ask Austin if I retain my vig shot after I attempt to shoot casey?

I guess you hope that Austin refuses to answer. He refused to tell me my shot failed or even if I retained it. 

Interestingly enough he did give me feedback after my vig on earth by essentially calling me a retard for picking earth in the PM, but I had to wait until the DP to see it was successful.  

It’s pretty simple. Wylted admitted that Earth didn’t want to shoot me with the Neighborhood Vig, so he somewhat townread me more than Wylted. From Wylted’s perspective, if Earth was scum, why would he reject Vig shot on Pie with the neighborhood Vig? After the neighborhood Vig was vetoed by Earth, Wylted used his leftover Vig (cause he never used it on Casey) to kill Earth.

I did suspect him last DP, but a world did exist where he could’ve been roleblocked or “jailkept” as he claimed, so I didn’t think necessary. This is WIFOM but I could’ve just not claimed my passive ability and went with the flow.

He could’ve, but it’s WIFOM and Wylted is illogical to begin with. It makes sense that he would bus his partner to gain the town cred

There’s a difference between lying and omitting the truth. Wylted actively lied about his role to seem towny and gain the Vig shot. I just kept it hidden, though I did soft claim it in DP2.

Hiding my passive ability (which I didn’t even have to claim) vs never even trying to use the cop ability as a townie and lying by claiming a perma lynchproof to take the vig shot is different imo.

Wylted is a confirmed liar. He admitted to Vig shotting someone he thought was supposedly scum for not wanting to shoot me, which makes no sense.

From Wylted’s perspective, why would scum Earth not agree to kill town Pie? Yet, Wylted still shot Earth. This proves that Wylted has to be scum. 

This is a clear scumslip as anything that was said NP3 in the Neighborhood is heresay (no one else can confirm).

So why didn’t you ask people to be on it, so you could investigate them?

Whether you retain it or not is irrelevant

I told the truth when I discovered it to 2 townies in the neighbor PM prior to dp2 starting

Scumslip #2. He had no way of knowing that he was sharing to two townies unless he was scum.

I think I already explained this, not that it matters what earth's reads are, but earth agreed to the pie vig. I put in my vig and then earth passed out at the last minuted.

My action failed and there were no kills. It was certainly a possibility I was jail kept. I didn't say that definitely happened though.

I challenge you to find a single game where I bus a scum partner ever.

Np1 like I said when moozer and earth were still alive I revealed the role. On dp1 you can obviously see me ask savant to put earth's vote on me. Dp2 and 3 I had no votes on me end of day. I thought maybe Austin made a mistake and moozer did have a vote on me end of dp, but it's not like it mattered because the mod would confirm if he was town the next day, and if there were no mod confirm he would have been scum.

The lies that I haven't attempted to use it are silly.

I would have got the vig shot if I was 1x lynchproof as well as it's typically a town role and nobody was claiming anything more towny.

Post where I said I thought he was scum for not wanting to shoot you?

I was open about my scum pool last dp. At the end of the dp, I made it clear the final scum was between pie and earth and him claiming I scum read earth for being cautious is wrong.

The scum pool for town is likely between me an pie and earth. Earth knows my scum pool is him and pie. This means if he vigs pie and pie is town I know he is the final scum. I also thought there would be no NK and the scum have not had a successful one anyway so if the scum pool is me and earth and earth is scum the math works out that if I was lynched first, he would be lynched next and the game is over.

Essentially it benefits a scum earth to keep more scummy looking town around. Obviously.

No it isn't and if I were in your shoes I would just give up and go away quietly. I respect your fight though and you honestly really fucked up by putting lunatic in my town pool. You probably would have still lost anyway but it was your biggest error.

So why would you not change your action? 

Irrelevant and WIFOM

They’re not silly. You didn’t use it when there were 4 people on the wagon DP1. You didn’t use it DP2 either. You didn’t use it DP3 either. You admitted that. What town reason exists to not use your investigative power for 3 straight days.

Cautious? Lmao. The logic is simple. You just fucked up the Vig shot on Earth. If what Austin said is true, you are a massive retard.

Lol what? You were more scummy than Earth to literally everyone last DP. We also knew that we would have 2 opportuniws to lynch unless a Vig shot was used. If anything Earth is town for not wanting to use the Vig shot because it provides 2 lynch opportunies for town.

You fucked up by shooting Earth when you knew he has no reason not to shoot Pie as scum and then get you lynched the next day because you were scummier than him. Your partner gave up, you should do the same. Your scumplay is careless

Let’s play out Wylted’s reasoning for shooting Earth (obviously if he was town, he’d think Earth was scum right?).

But if Earth is scum, why would Earth not agree to shoot Pie, who is town?

This is easy to explain. My thinking after he rejected the kill, after agreeing to it is followed.

The scum pool for town is likely between me an pie and earth. Earth knows my scum pool is him and pie. This means if he vigs pie and pie is town I know he is the final scum. I also thought there would be no NK and the scum have not had a successful one anyway so if the scum pool is me and earth and earth is scum the math works out that if I was lynched first, he would be lynched next and the game is over. 

Essentially it benefits a scum earth to keep more scummy looking town around. Obviously.

If either of you can answer the question why Town Wylted would shoot Earth in this scenario, I will happily self vote because at that point, town deserves to lose. It’s common sense

A couple quick thoughts

What happened to the second vig shot from earth?

I was going to ponder Luna being scum with a 10% probability, but that’s ruled out by the NK attempt which was liver witnessed, or bussed when Casey was already on the chopping block).

Pie would have to think that as scum I legitimately waited until np3 to use a vig shot. I got dp1. 

Well NP1 you used the shirt to protect yourself

. Using the Bulletproof and saving the Vig shot is common sense.

Let me put it this way. If there was not Vig shot, it would be 4-1 and town would have 2 attempts to lynch. Since Scum Wylted used his Vig shot to murder a townie in cold blood, we only have one opportunity.