UPick Mafia DP1

MafiaScum, where it says Vote Thief is “town aligned.”

For all you noobs, in the history of mafia on this site for sure and probably DDO, a Vote Thief has NEVER been town.

It’s hyperbole but more like 99.99% sure

His two scum reads are both OMGUS in me and Earth.

It said usually town-aligned, which already destroys your case since Austin would be just as likely to visit that site as me. Also reading that would make me not claim vote thief, because it would have told me the role is given to scum a good chunk of the time. When I go it as town, I thought giving it to scum would be unthinkable for reasons I already said. Would make zero sense for me to so this as scum.

Whoever the Vote Thief hammers with the stolen vote is automatically suspicious.

alternatively Savant can gain the town cred and hammer and take it for himself without much suspicion

I know you visited the site

And you will stand by that statement after my alignment is revealed?

I hope you stand by this after you lynch me.

The only way to bypass Wylted’s L-1 mechanic is the Vote Thief simultaneously putting the last two votes on him.

If I’m wrong, I’m wrong. But I’m convinced you’re scum based on your play this game, your behavior, and your role.

If you’re the first town vote thief, Austin is basically bastard mod 

They would be dead after they get hammered.

No I could just hammer with someone else's vote and no one would know I did it. When a vote thief steals a vote, it's their vote. There is no way Austin would give Barney a role like that if I am scum aligned.

The name on the vote is Earth’s even though you control it...I don’t trust you.

But the way it should work is that whoever’s name is on the final vote gets it.

That doesn't bypass it, because as soon as I put the first vote on him, the record would be wiped. I would have to put one vote first, even if it's a millisecond difference.

If you tell people to lynch you if I am innocent, I will tell everyone to vote for me, and vote for myself with both of my votes. If I am scum, that is a win for you.

So go on, tell everyone that if I am innocent, they should lynch you.

It’s possible to simultaneously place votes.

That’s not the way this works, and you’re not first person to pull this. As a townie my job is to stay alive and help town win. If in the 0.01% you turn out to be scum and I commit to this, I am by definition playing against my wincon

But you said you know how the vote thief role works. The vote thief steals a vote form themself. If you've played with the role before, you should know the name on the vote is only there to hide the identity of the vote thief.

Why, if it's not actually their vote?

If you steal my gun, by law, it still belongs to me.

You wouldn't be the first scum member to say that

What makes you think this? Has that ever been done in the history of mafia?

If you are 99.9% sure I am scum, and you are town, then making it easier to lynch me is worth that 1/1000 risk. You have no certainty that I will actually be lynched. If you are really town and that sure I am scum, you should be willing to make that trade in a heartbeat.

Yeah but mafia doesn't follow US laws. The law enforcement here (Austin) has decided the vote is now mine. If I steal someone's vote to benefit me, why would they get the benefits of that?

So according to you, this should make you even more sure I am scum and even more willing to say "if Savant is town, lynch me" in order to make lynching me easier, right?

Yes. Doublevoters for example. 

Again, that 0.01% revolves around throwing the game, which I’m not going to do ever. 

But Austin hasn’t said that legally the vote is yours even if it has Earth’s name on it

I’m not going to commit to something I don’t 100% know.

I'm willing to trade my life to get rid of someone I suspect. Pie isn't. Scum is much more incentivized to value their own life, since one scum member is half of their team.

But they submit both votes in one post/action. If someone had two accounts for some reason and submitted each vote under a separate account, they would not be simultaneous. I submit one vote in the forum and one vote in the PMs.

You are committing to lynching me and potentially losing a town member. If you are 99.9% sure I am scum, you should be willing to risk your own life as well to guarantee I get lynched.

I’m not going to risk my life for this if I’m wrong

Idt Savant has even provided full reads

And even if you were right about how the role works, I would know that by asking Austin and could frame someone by giving them the shot.

Sure, you could. That’s what it’s designed for. To cause chaos—classic scum ability.

It’s actually possible for 2 people to vote for someone at the same time. You just click at the same time. 

Pie is willing to risk killing a town member, so that's not why he values his own life. Perhaps he values his own life because he is scum and he doesn't value the lives of townies.

I suspect you, see Earth as possible scum, and I'm null on everyone else. I've explained why I suspect you and I'm not about to divert from that.

Even if Pie doesn't agree to 1v1, if he says he's basically 100% sure I'm scum and I'm town, the rest of you have to see that as suspicious.

Yeah but someone would be slightly faster. And Austin would not kill WyIted over that if there's a slight difference, because it wouldn't be fair to him to kill him if there's any time difference at all.