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Yes that is the most common version I have seen. The difference is I haven't seen the condition where it could not be used at mylo. Previously if we suspected that scum had a vote thief we would just try to get online and get them lynched as fast as possible before they could use it
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Also I think it was an X shot most of the times I have seen it. Legit never saw it as a town role. It doesn't mean it's not. You feel towny but that is my experience 
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@WyIted
Ok, then what is the purpose of Barney's role if there is a vote thief? Makes it literally negative utility. And why would I assume the role would confirm me as town if I was scum?
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@WyIted
It is one shot for me. Idk if I said that already but yeah.
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@Savant
Ok, then what is the purpose of Barney's role if there is a vote thief? Makes it literally negative utility
And why would I assume the role would confirm me as town if I was scum?
Atleast one of his friends who reviewed the Game said it was scum sided. So.maybe Austin just made a scum sided game. We won't know anything about how the roles interact until we see all the flips. It's why I try to lean heavier on behavior than anything else.  
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@WyIted
I'm not opposed to behavioral reads, but all I have right now is Pie and Earth. I suspect "omgus" accusations will be used heavily as a shield against criticism since Pie has not been willing to reveal his role this day phase or actually defend himself.
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as for me being absent, im going on vacation tmrw. I’ll try to be active, but no promises. When whiteflame comes back I’ll see if he can take my spot. Sorry guys, I didn’t know that it would take 2-3 days to start the game.
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Earth (2/5): Savant, Earth

AND IT'S EARTH FROM THE TOP ROPE! MY GOD!



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@Earth
role, plz
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@Savant
Piss off.
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@Moozer325
Pressure Earth. I want a role claim from him at least.
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Also if the vote thief can steal a vote the same day they use it (instead of the night before), then it's too powerful a role for scum. They could secretly hammer a town member at any time, and no one would know who did it. So explain why Austin would give that role to scum or why scum would dare to reveal it??
I suppose that would be a rather strong scum role, but that is still OMGUS. You have to admit that voting me with BOTH my and your vote is anti scum since I could get blitzed at ant moment if someone who isn't town votes me right? So even if you are town, you are acting anti town.
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VTL Savant

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Catching up now. If yall did anything dumb I stg
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@WyIted
This is also why I don't want you with thr vig shot. It'd not a community decision. A town member takes the shot. Keeps their target secret end of story. Or they wait a dp for strategic reasons 

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The community decides who gets the shot, not who gets shot. Why are you against that?
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@JoeBob
not like that, but in the fact of essentially flipping what we knew upside down. I don’t know how to explain it
You clearly didn’t know anything if you were just blindly following a vote thief. A townie’s vote is the most important thing they have.
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@ILikePie5
Savant wants me to role claim and he stole my vote so now I am L-3.
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@ILikePie5
Also Wylted got the 1x.
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@Earth
You have to admit that voting me with BOTH my and your vote is anti scum since I could get blitzed at ant moment if someone who isn't town votes me right?
Do you mean anti-town? And you need 5 votes to get hammered, so 2 votes against you doesn't allow scum to do that. Also weird that you accuse me of OMGUS and then vote for me right after. I would like to lynch Pie, but that is not feasible right now, so I'm asking for your role. Instead of explaining why you are innocent, you voted me and ignored literally everything I said about my role. Like what is your logic here?
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@Moozer325
You said you wanted a role claim from Earth. Pressure him or we're not going to get it.
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RSVLTS SHIRT (2/7): Earth, Lunatic
Wylted (4/5): Pie, Joebob, Wylted, Barney

Suddenly, Wylted shouts "F*** off, you're not getting my claim!"
Who was the 5th vote? Or is the lynchproof activatable? Explain please.
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@ILikePie5
No one was the fifth vote, the lynchproof activates at L-1 according to Wylted.
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@ILikePie5
I'd like your role too once you get caught up. If not, help me get Earth's.
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@Savant
Sorry I did mean anti Town lol...But if someone derps into voting me, mafia can just blitz and we would be in MYLO. If Wylted shots wrong, we would be in LYLO as well. This is anti town behavior no matter how you slice it lol. At least remove my vote.

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@WyIted
Well you are not going to make scum invincible from the only way to kill them, and with a 1x claim.being offered, it makes it retarded for anyone to assume I am anything other than town. With that said, you guys being idiots and not realizing that my invincibility from lynches makes me town,  also lowers the chances of me being NKed, and I want to play a while so I don't want to discourage the dumb behavior too hard. Although I also want the vig shot because I trust me more than anyone
Clarify if you’re an activatable lynchproof or a passive lynchproof. There is a big difference.
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@Earth
Right now, what is even your motivation for voting me? If someone hammers you today, we'll lynch them tomorrow. Barney's role would not be in the game if I was scum-aligned, and I would have no reason to assume my role would town confirm me if I was scum. Why would I not have just stolen the shirt? I'll be accused of using WIFOM logic there, but it would literally make no sense for me to reveal my role as scum. If I was scum and had kept it a secret, I would be winning by a lot right now.
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@WyIted
I just realized something.  Savant really has to be scum. He counter balances me perfectly. 

I just realized my ability to avoid lynches activates at L1, this means he can surpass it by double voting when I am at L2
There is no way Savant is town if this is your mechanic. Follow up to this though: Are you perma lynchproof now for every DP onwards?
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@Earth
mafia can just blitz and we would be in MYLO
Being in MYLO wouldn't be an issue because we would know exactly who scum are (the people who hammered). But I will unvote since you care so much about that. In exchange, plz unvote me and give your role.

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@Savant
You are assuming you would be able to rally town to lynch that person in the first place. Take off my vote. If town wants my claim, it should be town and not just you.
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Earth (1/5): Earth

This votecount is correct.