Pie Recycled Roles Mafia DP1

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Same goes for you. Who would you have me Lynch if not you, because while your not incredibly townie, you surely concede that we shouldn’t lynch Earth just based solely on inactivity, right?
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How is Earth not much better? He's been lurking all DP, claiming a non-confirmable role, and his only response to his wagon has been "I guess I am kinda scummy lol"
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@Moozer325
It's not his inactivity - if that was the case, half the game would be on the chopping block. It's his response. If you were a town and you came back to see a 4/5 wagon against you, would your response be to acknowledge the wagon, acknowledge your claim is scummy, and then immediately disappear?
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The way I see it, that behavior is way too scummy to be purposeful. I bet something just came up and he was planning a bigger post.
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Earth has not been lurking. Earth is just not here
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I am pretty sure Earth just does this. let me go through his last scum game i remember if i can find it and ill link
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Earth seemed like a good target when everyone was town reading Austin. POE has been blown apart, and Austin admits he screwed up, so this wagon is going to be the only one I feel comfortable with. Also idk how I feel about Luna telling me "what he would do as scum" because that could just be a WIFOM gambit. It's only useful for other people to say what he would do as scum. For now, Austin is our best option.
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@Savant
Whiteflame actually said the same thing I did as far as if Austin is town. He also laid out an option for him being scum and seemed to weigh more heavily on that. I don’t entirely blame him for that read, but I am investing more into the town side because Austin just is way too good as scum to make a play like that. It’s more likely he’s town and being honest. Look at the last two scum games Austin won (mahabaratta and pies previous game) Austin was so calculated in those games. He went with super good claims both games and was mostly under the radar the entire time. Now he comes out and claims miller as scum when he could more than likely just counter you if he was scum. It makes more sense that he is legit worried that you tunnel vision him for your night action and is generally scared of being caught out. And it would look way scummier of him if he was copped guilty dp2 and claimed miller.

I agree he should have claimed it earlier but motivation wise it doesn’t make sense for him to make this play as mafia.
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his only response to his wagon has been "I guess I am kinda scummy lol"
It's posts like this that make me think Austin is just trying to gaslight newer players. Why wouldn't you just quote Earth verbatim instead of taking him wildly out of context like this?
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@Savant
Somebody is town. Either earth is town or lunatic or moozer or joebob. We should be able to get another town player to go along with this
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@Lunatic
I mean, what if he was certain I was going to investigate him at night? What would be a better play for him as scum?
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You've been gaslighting me this whole DP dude, you want me to go back through our arguments?
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We need a lynch today. If Austin flips scum, whoever joins the wagon is going to look more townie than the holdouts.
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@Lunatic
I agree he should have claimed it earlier but motivation wise it doesn’t make sense for him to make this play as mafia.
It makes no sense as town tonl claim there either. You would still assume as town that mafia counters him. I just think the scum team is afraid of a doctor or a watcher and just got ahead of the guilty result
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^^^ talking about stuff like that btw, "join austin wagon for free towncred!!!"
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Somebody is town
 No shit Sherlock :p
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@AustinL0926
You've been gaslighting me this whole DP dude
No one thinks I'm scum, so focusing on my behavior is just a waste of time. Maybe I'm a huge hypocrite and a bully, but pointing that out even if it's true doesn't help us win the game.
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@Savant
We need a lynch today. If Austin flips scum, whoever joins the wagon is going to look more townie than the holdouts.
ok, still think it’s Earth or than Austin
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@Savant
Earth seemed like a good target when everyone was town reading Austin. POE has been blown apart, and Austin admits he screwed up, so this wagon is going to be the only one I feel comfortable with. Also idk how I feel about Luna telling me "what he would do as scum" because that could just be a WIFOM gambit. It's only useful for other people to say what he would do as scum. For now, Austin is our best option.
You are using wifom to scum read Austin. Which is fine, but if you pick and choose which wifom to believe based on what feeds your beliefs better your just resorting to confirmation bias.
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More than*
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If Austin flips scum, whoever joins the wagon is going to look more townie than the holdouts.
That post doesn’t quite sit right with me.
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That post doesn’t quite sit right with me.
same, it seems like a desperate attempt to force people to vote Austin
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No one thinks I'm scum, so focusing on my behavior is just a waste of time. Maybe I'm a huge hypocrite and a bully, but pointing that out even if it's true doesn't help us win the game.
omfg Savant you can't just bad-faith argue with me the whole day to the point where you forced me to out as miller and cause a possible mislynch and then say it doesn't matter.

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@Lunatic
You are using wifom to scum read Austin
WIFOM can work if a third-party does it. People wifom reading themselves is unreliable though.
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I suspect if Austin was town, then moozer would have voted him by now. I just get that feeling
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There's no way you guys can think I'm lying about my role and then believe Austin's miller claim. Mechanically it makes zero sense.
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same, it seems like a desperate attempt to force people to vote Austin
Savant is basically confirmed and is using threats as a persuasion tactic. Stop reading too much into it
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Why would you even need a miller if the cop is only odd night? 
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There’s just generally a whole lot of WIFOM responses I’m getting from Austin. I agree, this was a silly move if Austin was scum. It’s a silly move if Austin is town. It’s silly all around because it was obviously anti-town and defensive. No matter what he flips, the choice to claim this role this late reeks of desperation.

If he’s a desperate townie, then he misplayed his role very badly and is getting scumread for something he could have at least partially salvaged by staying mum about his role or softclaiming. 

If he’s desperate scum expecting to be copped, then this is a last ditch effort. A mistaken one (there was always the chance that Savant would have copped someone else or been interfered with), but it is nonetheless an effort to shake both the cop and the lynch.

I sincerely don’t get how Luna so solidly believes that Austin must be town beyond just saying he expected more from Austin if he was scum. Difference between Austin’s previous games and this one: he didn’t have a claimed Cop with clear intentions to target him during NP1. Maybe there’s more to it than that. Maybe Austin would never do this as scum even under pressure. I just don’t buy it.

I’ll wait a bit before locking in my vote, but at this rate, Austin’s either going to be the lynch this DP or next, and I’d rather get rid of him and put the focus elsewhere next DP, whether he’s town or scum.