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@Lunatic
moozer, casey, joebob hold off claiming til they claim please
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@whiteflame
I understand how it makes the initial claimers look. What I’m worried about is that it’ll be hard to tell if the later ones are sus, or just late to the party.
This won't be our only scum hunting tool. We need to take all factors into account, but savant is right, it does look best on the early claimers. Statistically speaking, and using the information we got from pie.
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@JoeBob
All three have claimed, you are good to go now
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@whiteflame
I guess that's fair. But I think hounding for claims within the first few minutes has its advantages. I don't think scum would want to use up their claims early, and with the time pressure, I think there's a good chance they would freak out and refuse to claim. Austin didn't resist at all, which makes him seem pretty safe in my eyes.
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@Lunatic
The die is cast, so guess we’ll just have to go with it at this point. Don’t love the idea, but I hope you’re right.
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@Lunatic
All three have claimed, you are good to go now
13 reasons why
I'm trying to figure out a breaking strategy for this, I feel there has to be something in between a gameclaim and a fullclaim that could allow us to force an early CC. Maybe forcing players to specify whether their role is common or not? And forcing the common roles to claim?
Pie started this thread on an evening while I'm at work and working overtime. I'll keep up as much as I can, but I'll be low activity until tomorrow.
no Barney means no emoji😔
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@Savant
I mean, point taken, but speaking as someone who was scum in the last game, I didn’t hesitate to claim my own game. Cost me a bit later, but we should be careful how much we read into that.
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@whiteflame
I’m not convinced we get the same benefit as that game, and I do think it offers scum more safe claims if they can just feign ignorance (or simply be absent) at the start of the DO, but fine, at least it’s somewhere to start.
Luckily this isn't the case, all three of the people I was worried about doing this have claimed. It's much less likely that joebob, moozer, casey etc are going to be able to pull off an effective fake claim based on lack of experience though, so I am mostly okay them coming in late. They will be found out by POE easier if scum.
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@Casey_Risk
Pie started this thread on an evening while I'm at work and working overtime. I'll keep up as much as I can, but I'll be low activity until tomorrow.
hit us with your game claim for now please
Yeah I checked Pie's games and I don't really think a massclaim will benefit us much here, he's always included some sort of roleblocker role or something. I think it's best just to leave claims here.
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@Casey_Risk
@Moozer325
Game Claim please. You have a 2/3 chance of guessing wrong, 0 if you haven't already asked pie a question yet XD
I also don't really think that claiming a game early is alignment indicative at all. Since no particular game is inherently superior in terms of fakeclaims for scum (since they don't know our town roles yet), then I don't actually see a motivation for them to fakeclaim a different game.
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@AustinL0926
Yeah I checked Pie's games and I don't really think a massclaim will benefit us much here, he's always included some sort of roleblocker role or something. I think it's best just to leave claims here.
How does locking someone into a game claim hurt town? It only forces mafia into claiming from a subset of roles, and town wouldn't have to fake claim there's anyway.
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@Lunatic
Can you explain exactly why you think claiming early makes someone more likely to be town? Not really understanding it here.
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@Lunatic
Luckily this isn't the case, all three of the people I was worried about doing this have claimed. It's much less likely that joebob, moozer, casey etc are going to be able to pull off an effective fake claim based on lack of experience though, so I am mostly okay them coming in late. They will be found out by POE easier if scum.
Point taken. I’m generally averse to giving scum information wherever I can avoid it, particularly in a game where they can ask questions like this, but you’re right that there are benefits to at least locking some players into their games.
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@Lunatic
I'm referring to leaving things at just a charclaim rather than getting into more specific roleclaims (which was my initial idea to try and break the game)
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@AustinL0926
I also don't really think that claiming a game early is alignment indicative at all. Since no particular game is inherently superior in terms of fakeclaims for scum (since they don't know our town roles yet), then I don't actually see a motivation for them to fakeclaim a different game.
The only way someone who claimed early could be scum, is if they gambled on a 15% chance dice roll and happened to be correct. Which isn't entirely impossible, but very risky, and very unlikely.
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@AustinL0926
I'm referring to leaving things at just a charclaim rather than getting into more specific roleclaims (which was my initial idea to try and break the game)
Ah okay, I get you.
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@Lunatic
The only way someone who claimed early could be scum, is if they gambled on a 15% chance dice roll and happened to be correct. Which isn't entirely impossible, but very risky, and very unlikely.
I’d amend that to say “The only way someone who claimed early could have faked their claim”, since someone could have just claimed their actual game and still be scum.
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@Lunatic
The only way someone who claimed early could be scum, is if they gambled on a 15% chance dice roll and happened to be correct. Which isn't entirely impossible, but very risky, and very unlikely.
Or they could have just claimed their actual game, right?
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@whiteflame
Point taken. I’m generally averse to giving scum information wherever I can avoid it, particularly in a game where they can ask questions like this, but you’re right that there are benefits to at least locking some players into their games.
I think as far as spilling town information goes, we generally agree with each other. I'd rather not have an excess of actual claims coming out dp1 either, based on the POE it gives mafia to work with if they are all town claims for example. I think Dart has developed a bad habit of pushing many claims early. It has worked a few times, because mods have a tendency to make townies overly confirmable, but not every game is going to be like that, and we can see a few cases where this has bit town in the butt.
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@AustinL0926
Or they could have just claimed their actual game, right?
My point exactly. There’s a benefit to locking players into their game, though, so I’d say that still works for us.
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@AustinL0926
Or they could have just claimed their actual game, right?
They would have to yeah given what we are doing here. Stuck with whatever roles in the game they have
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@Lunatic
I think as far as spilling town information goes, we generally agree with each other. I'd rather not have an excess of actual claims coming out dp1 either, based on the POE it gives mafia to work with if they are all town claims for example. I think Dart has developed a bad habit of pushing many claims early. It has worked a few times, because mods have a tendency to make townies overly confirmable, but not every game is going to be like that, and we can see a few cases where this has bit town in the butt.
I agree on that lol. I think in Mahabharata a plan which involved every townie working together got defeated just by WF's roleblocker. I feel like Pie designs his games well enough that a massclaim won't bring significant benefit.
I’m Narcos Mafia? IDK. Pie gave me my message in Spanish for some reason, and hasn’t replied to me yet, but to be fair, it was like a minute ago.
Okay yeah, it’s the Narcos mafia. Not sure what that is, but that part was written in English.
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@AustinL0926
I agree on that lol. I think in Mahabharata a plan which involved every townie working together got defeated just by WF's roleblocker. I feel like Pie designs his games well enough that a massclaim won't bring significant benefit.
Lol which is why you were frustrating me in that game because you were scumreading me, but also calling out who I should be protecting each night lol. I felt like if I didn't follow who you were telling me to protect, we would just keep having the same argument about my intentions etc, meanwhile whiteflame knew he never had to worry about a doctor protection and could roleblock the other power roles freely lmao.
Case in point, we probably shouldn't tell the mafia who we are targeting unless we are using it to WIFOM or bait out actions. Or maybe I shouldn't have listed to your suggestions and just done whatever anyway lol. I am at fault for that too.