Pie Recycled Roles Mafia DP1

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VTL Earth

Both of you should make a case on why the other should claim first. At the very least, it'll force some contribution to the DP.
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Not a particularly detailed set of reads from Earth, though I can't say I'm interested in pushing on him for more at this stage. His and JoeBob's lack of involvement in the DP stands apart, but both of them are pretty null to me.

As for my other reads by this point, I've given my thoughts on Austin's behavior through much of the DP, so I'd still say he's a town lean to me. Luna comes off similarly. There's always the possibility that Luna is just defending his scum partner, but a) I don't think Luna would tie himself this closely to his partner if he was scum and b) I agree with a lot of his reasoning and it comes off as town. If they aren't partners, I don't see why Luna would try this hard to push back on a mislynch. 

Savant's behavior has been very off all game, but the Cop claim means he's in my town pile for this DP at minimum. That leaves four:

Casey's null to me so far. I'm not sure whether the claim is more likely to come out as scum or town, and I disagree that it's particularly ballsy. We have to satisfy a rather particular set of circumstances for them to end up dead as a result: the voting has to end in a tie without a clear lynch. Casey can always push things in a different direction to prevent that, even by their vote alone. It comes off as somewhat safe, but I don't have a solid read on whether they would be likely to claim this as scum.

That leaves Moozer and, as I think I've already made clear, he's my scumread atm. I don't doubt that he's actually busy, but the choice to leave for 24 hours and place a vote just beforehand that he doesn't have to defend in any way (and didn't explain when he gave it, not to mention running counter to his prior read) seems like it's aimed at hoping for a mislynch rather than anything helpful for town. So while I'm willing to push on either Earth or JoeBob for a claim, Moozer is my priority.

VTL Moozer

I recognize that he could present some claim last minute that would derail this, but that's a risk I'm willing to take.
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Ftr, I still don't like Savant's behavior but I don't rly see the point of pushing it further (at least on DP1) if he agrees to drop his ridiculous push.

Wylted is being weird (not out of meta unfortunately) but his interaction with Savant vibes as town - I feel that if he was scum he would just hide behind Savant's tunnel on me and let Savant take the blame for a DP1 gone wrong. Pushing back on Savant's claim when he has no reason to doesn't seem to have any scum motivation behind it that I can think of.

Luna and whiteflame are both townleans for me but unfortunately I haven't seen a lot of genuine interactions from them due to pretty much half the DP being focused on Savant getting salty over a single vote. Casey also gets a townlean for roleclaim and not being too opportunistic. That leaves Moozer (opportunistic) and the nulls (possibly lurking).

Lean scum on Moozer, possibly one scum in either [Earth, Joebob] or [Savant, Wylted].


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Casey can always push things in a different direction to prevent that, even by their vote alone. It comes off as somewhat safe, but I don't have a solid read on whether they would be likely to claim this as scum.
Not really sure what you mean by this. If the majority of people voted for a VTNL, how could Casey stop that from happening?
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Realized I somehow missed out on giving my reads on WyIted. The kind of fluffposting he engaged in early was not unusual for him, and the brief tunneling on Austin is unclear to me. He's hard to get a bead on, so he's null for me atm.
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Not really sure what you mean by this. If the majority of people voted for a VTNL, how could Casey stop that from happening?
Maybe I'm misreading the role, but it says that the number of votes on other players has to be tied. A single vote can place someone in the majority and avoid activating the Scapegoat. This is how it's written in that game, so let me know if I'm missing something.

You are the SCAPEGOAT. If there is ever a tie (no matter the number of votes) in voting at the end of a DP on a No Lynch or VTNL day, you will automatically be lynched. 
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@AustinL0926
Both of you should make a case on why the other should claim first.
1. I have been slightly more active that I saw.
2. I have reads and I’m pretty sure I didn’t see any from him
I’ll think of some more and say them when I do.
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You're good, I just can't read apparently. Thought the only condition to activate was VTNL. I suppose that does make it a slightly safer claim.
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also earth is better than me, and because of that he makes it last DP1 more often, and since he is better, he is more dangerous then me also I often get lynched DP1 for little to no reason, such as “puncuation”.
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I often get lynched DP1 for little to no reason, such as “puncuation
Get good grammar son .
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Get good grammar son .
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Also I bet it was on purpose but you have a space between the period and son.

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@JoeBob
also earth is better than me, and because of that he makes it last DP1 more often, and since he is better, he is more dangerous then me also I often get lynched DP1 for little to no reason, such as “puncuation”.
I remember the game lol, I was modding that one. Thought it was a dumb way to get sussed but your role didn't help.

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@WyIted
Do you have any game-advancing content to provide now that you realized your push on me isn't working?
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Ftr, I still don't like Savant's behavior but I don't rly see the point of pushing it further (at least on DP1) if he agrees to drop his ridiculous push.
I unvoted you last night dude
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Sorry everyone, I slept in pretty late. Some thoughts:

- Still don't want to vote for Austin at this stage. The whole beef between him, Savant, and Wylted started with Austin voting Savant just to get a reaction, Savant got upset and it all spiraled from there, but I don't think any of the evidence brought up against Austin was very compelling. I'm not familiar enough with anyone to do meta-reads yet, but for now I'll just say Austin leans town for me.
- I feel the same way about Moozer as I did yesterday. His progression from "Austin is town" to "Austin is probably scum, let's lynch him" just feels so unnatural to me. The fact that he felt the need to defensively say "I'm not bandwagoning" just makes me more convinced that he's doing exactly that.
- Savant's behavior is a bit off-putting, but given his Cop claim, he's town in my book for now, unless something happens later to make me change my mind. The last game had two investigative roles but no Cop, so it could be a false claim, though given how no one else but me had claimed any specific role, that's highly unlikely. It would be a really ballsy claim on Savant's part.
- Wylted's behavior is hard for me to read. He's got that trollish side to his personality like Best.Korea. That said, I feel like his relentless pursuit of Austin was more likely indicative of tunneling than being scum.
- Behaviorally speaking, I townread Luna. It's mostly just a gut feeling, but there's also the point that WF brought up -- he probably wouldn't be defending Austin this hard unless they were scum partners, and I very much doubt that at this point.
- Speaking of Whiteflame, he's hard for me to read since he's such an experienced player, but I do get a slight townread off of him. It's partly due to his resistance to joining the anti-Austin wagon, and partly just a gut feeling.
- Null read on everyone else I haven't mentioned so far.

Pie, can we get a tally of the votes so far?
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I really don't care if either me or JoeBob outs their role, I just think we should do it for a good reason.
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I unvoted you last night dude
Yes, which is why I'm dropping it for now.
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Casey's reads post leans pretty town for me.
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I think we'll find at least one scum in [Earth, JoeBob, Moozer] since pretty much everyone else has been town read by multiple others.
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Moozer claimed last of those three, so he's my top scum read rn. Second is JoeBob, since Earth claimed early.

VTL JoeBob for claim, though.
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That was three votes right?

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VTL JoeBob for claim, though.
Game curtesy, ping them when your voting then
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@JoeBob
I'm definitely going to want a full claim from you regardless of what Earth does, so probably best to give it now.
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Sry, forgot to ping the first time.
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@Savant
I'm definitely going to want a full claim from you regardless of what Earth does, so probably best to give it now.
Well that’s three votes, gimme a second to write it out.
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Official Vote Count:

JoeBob (3/5) - Lunatic, Wylted, Savant
Earth (1/5) - Austin
Moozer (1/5) -Whiteflame
Austin (1/5) - Moozer

Please let me know if there are any mistakes!

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So I am Zach Dempsey. I used to have good grades, but they dropped due to loss of my will. Because of this, I turned over girls and alcohol. Even with these downsides, I still help my friends. Because of this, I am the town drunk. Each night I can choose someone. This person will not be able to do any actions, including the mafia night kill.
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@Lunatic
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Unvote

I'm inclined to townread JoeBob rn, but how does everyone else feel?
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@Lunatic
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@Moozer325
If I had to lynch anyone at the moment, it would be Moozer.
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Alright, pretty strong claim from Joebob. Semi-confirmable, since Pie tells people if their actions fail (Pie is weird for this but it works out nicely here).