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@Lunatic
You, whiteflame, and Austin all agreeing is enough to make me reconsider. You can't all be scum.
Unvote
VTL Moozer
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And if my reasons for suspecting Moozer aren't obvious, I'll reiterate what's already been said. He jumped on the Austin train too conveniently without giving a good reason for it.
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@Moozer325
Savant: Not super scummy or anything, but is somehow always giving me a not incredibly town vibe. So far, if I had to lynch anyone right now it would be him, but it’s DP 1 and I haven’t been that active anyways. Besides, he’s always scummy for some reason.
Were you caught up when you made this post?
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@Moozer325
I’d actually put earth also in slight scum just due to a lack of activity, but the same could be said about me too.Also, I’m not saying we should do this, but just to put it out there, VTNL is an option. I figure someone should at least mention it each game.
Yeah there is no way you are caught up here if your saying this, after caseys claim
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@WyIted
Is there any reason why Austin would respect you more than anyone else here?Is he intimidated by you for some reason that you can sense?Like maybe he perceives you as socially dominant or he thinks of you as a God of mafia and that is why he would be really worried about you?
Not really, I mean if he thinks I am scum he will pursue me pretty aggressively. See Maharabarrata. I was basically a double confirmed doctor( I had cc'ed savant and then tested myself on him when he was an unlynchable town caliming to be a hunter, and I hammered him) and he STILL thought I was scum in LYLO. Both of us were town. If you notice he is more passive to me or something it could be based on that game, maybe he isn't trying to push as hard.
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@Moozer325
Honestly, I kinda would prefer a VTNL here, but that's not going to happen. I'll just vote with the majority, which seems to be leaning toward Austin for now.
At the time you are posting this, it was literally just savant and wylted... And wylted hasn't even made his case yet. I am feeling this is not your strongest game. I don't know if this is noob scum or noob town or if it's even really an excuse at all.
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@Moozer325
Alright, my final decision is to VTL Austin. I'm not bandwagoning, it's just that I don't have that much time, so I'm gonna defer to the people who are better at this than me. If it's better for me to just not vote, I'm down for that too.
I don't like this. At all.
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@Savant
Austin's behavior is much more OMGUS than mine was, he's just avoided voting against Moozer so he won't be accused of attacking people for voting against him.
He unvoted you immediately after you claimed cop, and he hadn't voted moozer yet just said he was slightly scummy on hsi read list at this point
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@Savant
No matter how Austin flips, it's going to reveal something. If he's town, Moozer is probably scum. If he's scum, whiteflame is probably his partner.
And what about wylted?
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@AustinL0926
You win games by attacking scum, not defending yourself. Any arguments I make regarding my own alignment are inherently biased by the fact that I know I'm town. The only thing I can do to prove my towniness is to hunt for scum, but you're not making that easy at all. You're probably town, I'm town, and this is getting annoying and allowing scum to hide in the shadows.
^^^^
Townie af post
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@WyIted
OMGUS is not a scum tell despite people thinking otherwise. It is a noob characteristic though
I fall victim to OMGUS sometimes, though usually its because someone's reasons for voting for me are so bad that I feel like they HAVE to be manufactured to try and get a mislynch lol
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@WyIted
I have mixed feelings on the buddying so did not list it but I think it indicates that if austin is scum than lunatic is town.So Austin is definitely scum. Let's review the evidence.scum tell 1Tow behaves differently when on their head is on the chopping block than scum. One scum tactic when their head is on the line is not to defend their evidence but gaslight their accuser by questioning their logic. A more natural response to stupid logic is not really that aggressive or defensive. Here are gaslighting posts below;post 227 " > I also voted you because WyIted also suspects you for other reasons, which in my view makes the case against you stronger.We should triple the US government's spending. Not really gonna specify my reasons, but in my view it makes the legislator's cases stronger"Now this is poor logic by Savant, but the logic is strawmanned, not necessarily an issue, but the issue is gas lighting them and attacking their logic, instead of proclaiming your innocence or scum hunting
This response from austin happened AFTER you stated you had a case against him. So it looks like you didn't have a case against him, you more had a gut read against him and are using his reaction to his pressure as added weight to your argument against him. That's a nicer way of saying "you manufactured the read to take advantage of savant's emotions of having outted himself as cop for a bad reason to further emphasize his push on austin". I am trying to give you some benefit of the doubt here. That said, Austin's point here was 100% legit.
post 222 "Savant has literal zero basis for scumreading me and his recent posts prove it"Who gives a shit. we all know that this is a bad way to defend yourself, but the issue is questioning the logic behind it. Most of us would say it is bad logic and move on or just say something like "fuck off I am innocent", and not elaborate. He isn't defending himself he is attacking.post 206 questioning logic again not sum hunting or defending himself."Right, so the wagon on me is:-Savant (who's mad that I pointed out objectively scummy behavior)-Wylted (for reasons unknown)-Moozer (sheeping the above two)"post 199 follows the same logic of attacking the logic of somebody who is on your wagon and gaslighting them.
I mean, laying out the case on him, that is all the actual reasons. Savant is OMGUSing, you never laid a case on him and so far everything you've pointed out his post you claiming to have a case on him, moozer admitted to bandwagoning. Why should he or anyone take the pressure on him seriously? Why would he not defend himself this way as town? I 100% would be doing and saying the exact same things in his position if I was town.
Scum read reason 2Austin is lying and we should lynch all liarspost 132 about Savant"I scumread him because it looked like he was pretty much coasting on his "first to claim" thing which means close to nothing in terms of towncred imo yet apparently he thought it makes him unlynchable this DP? yea not rly sure where that comes from. "He scum reads savant, this is after placing his vote, so no reason to lie here.post 137, he also doubles down that he had a scum read on savant"lready said I scumread you because I felt you were coasting on your early claim in a way that didn't feel genuine. I asked you why because I wanted to see whether your reaction was coming from an informed ("oh no I've been caught but he doesn't know that") or uninformed ("I'm being pushed for no reason") perspective."post 133, he claims to never scum read him and just be reaction testing. So he either lied about the mere reaction test or lied about scum reading him."Savant, why would you claim though? You only had two votes and mine was literally just a reaction test."
Before he ever voted savant, he claimed to have a hard time reading him. It stands that he had reasons for pressuring savant. Also the day phase was stagnant at this point, so he was the only one garnering activity. Sucks that it resulted in an over reaction from Savant, but his reasons are sound to me. I was actually wanting to do a reaction test on you to get things moving in the game. My plan was to vote you and call you out for scum slipping to see how you handled the pressure of if you would acnkowledge the scum slip. I opted to play elden ring all night instead, so it never ended up happening.
Scum read 3Austin is trying to look like he is scum hunting by merely just making random comments about theory. We all go off on theory here and there but this feels like austin is trying to mimick being active.post 158 "I actually disagree a bit with this imo - I think posting reads as you catch up is one of the best ways to let other players read you. Scum have the burden of too much information, which can sometimes show in an unnatural read progression."This isn't scum hunting and it is fluff he does it more.
I don't think it's fluff and I agree with what he is saying here. Fluff is you posting about pie need to get laid, and teasing casey about gender roles.
post 111, another excuse to talk theory instead of scum hunt to simulate activity"Somehow missed this earlier. Although I can understand why you did this, I advise you not to do it in the future. Claiming a SOP role will always lead to measurable harm for town because it narrows the POE for scum to fire in.You have to weigh whether the benefit town gets from knowing the SOP is greater than this. I don't really think that's the case with this particular role, since if town is really so divided that we can't agree to a lynch after an entire day of discussion, then it's better to have a negative utility role eliminated for POE."
Another non fluff statement that rang as town to me and that I agreed with.
scum read 4Scum have this tendency to make double statements that follow the pattern of this guy is scum but also he is town.
Can you point to examples of this? These blanket statements of "scum do this and scum do that" aren't hitting for me, because I see town do a lot of the same things.
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@WyIted
I don't have time to go through these people's games. What is up with Savant? His logic seems poor and though I don't remember much about him from before I thought he was a semi active member and somehow got the impression he had really good logic and reasoning. I don't think I have crossed his path much, so not sure where I got that opinion from
He's a new player. He is a pretty smart guy and I think will become a prominent player, but he's only played a few games. I feel him coming into the game more and more and feeling more confident with his reads etc. As he learns more about the game we will see less mistakes like claiming too early without much pressure, etc. Austin is a pretty intimidating player and his reaction to austin makes sense here, but this whole interaction reads town v town to me.
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@Savant
'm sure Austin will accuse me of grasping at straws, but here's another theory...I strongly suspect that Austin is "liking" his own posts. At first, I wasn't sure of it, but a significant number of his posts have been liked, despite no one except whiteflame coming out and defending him. So who is anonymously liking these posts where Austin defends himself but not openly supporting Austin? I don't think that would make sense. Either WF or Austin is doing it, and they're both smart enough that it's clearly an effort to sway the opinions of town members.The final piece of evidence was Luna's post being liked when only Austin, Luna, and I were online. I didn't like it, and I don't see why Luna would do it. So that means Austin has liked at least one post in the thread, maybe out of habit.All it would take to debunk this theory is for someone else to say they liked several of Austin's posts. If JoeBob or Casey or someone has been liking them, then that solves the mystery. Otherwise, Austin has been liking his own posts in an effort to sway opinions, which comes across to me as strongly suspicious.
I've been liking a lot of austin's posts as I've been catching up. Logically, him and I agree with many of the points he's made. I've indicated this as much in some of the responses I've made. Mystery solved.
I think scum is likely lurking here.
I am getting town vibes from Austin, savant, and wylted.
Casey gets a town from me based on his roleclaim. No way mafia is claiming that, and the chances of town just YOLO VTNL'ing or accidentally VTNL'ing based on not coming to a decision fast enough are way too likely to happen. This is the ballsiest scum claim ever if he is scum. There's just no way. Casey is basically town confirmed in my eyes.
Austin v savant just feels very town v town to me, and I just went through the same thing with austin in mahabaratta, and with santygrass in the mafia championship game. Wylted feels like he is trying to piece through things logically, and as scum I feel like he would just be manipulating savant here, but he is equally questioning savants logic and not taking him and his role claim as confirmation, so I am leaning town on him for that alone. And I agree we shouldn't be clearing savant based on the cop claim alone. Chances are pie told them there wasn't a cop in the game, plus he didn't claim odd night cop, just cop, and we know from looking at the endgame of his game, that it was an odd night cop. That rings a bit wierd to me but not TOO wierd. But I am town reading savant independent of his claim so it's whatever. I feel his frustration early on with austin was genuine, and a lot of his subsequent response felt emotional in a townie way.
Austin is literally playing the exact way he usually plays as town, same normal aggression, he got the ball rolling this day phase and activity going, despite the fact that it's backfiring him a bit.
Whiteflame I want to town read, because I have agreed with a lot of what he has said this day phase, but as I said early on, I think whiteflame would probably say and do a lot of the same things as scum. He is very good at blending in behaviorally, and I think it's easier to catch whiteflame out on mechanics/role slips. I don't personally think whiteflame is the best at fake claiming (definitely not the worst either) but he doesn't take huge risks, and he's likelier to stick to safer claims etc. Behaviorally wise he's almost always going to act the same way. So I am going to keep him as null for now despite liking his posts so far. He also hasn't really pushed anyone, or seemed to be scum hunting so that makes me paranoid, but also, neither have I yet. It's early so I'll give him a pass on that one.
Moozer feels like the bad luck brian meme of this game. I don't know if I wanna excuse his comments as lazy town, or go with lazy mafia. The austin vote was bad though. At the same time if we push him, I feel like it could very well either end in a mislynch, or a townie power role claim, and we learned nothing more than "oh moozer is a noob who did a noob thing" and we are back at square one, with mafia having more information then they need.
POE leaves earth and joebob, who have been coasting this phase. Earth tends to be a bit more on the inactive side in general but if we are going to pressure anyone, I think these two and moozer probably should be the focus. Moozer has at least kind of participated, but joebob's participation feels especially lacking.
VTL joebob. I don't want a claim I just want thoughts on the game, reads, overall opinions, etc. Same with earth but I'll start the pressure here.
Claims
Savant- US Senate- Oromagi - Richard Durbin- Odd night Cop
Casey- US House of Representative- Elminster- Cheri Bustos- Scapegoat
Lunatic- Ancient Roman Battles
Earth- Civil War Generals
Wylted- Throne of Glass Mafia
Whiteflame- The Legend of Zelda (Ocarina of Time)
Austin- Governors Mafia
JoeBob- 13 Reasons Why
Moozer- Narcos
Savant- US Senate- Oromagi - Richard Durbin- Odd night Cop
Casey- US House of Representative- Elminster- Cheri Bustos- Scapegoat
Lunatic- Ancient Roman Battles
Earth- Civil War Generals
Wylted- Throne of Glass Mafia
Whiteflame- The Legend of Zelda (Ocarina of Time)
Austin- Governors Mafia
JoeBob- 13 Reasons Why
Moozer- Narcos
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@JoeBob
Lunatic doesn’t usually vanish, what’s going on with him?
Maybe he has a job or something
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@Lunatic
r/ihavesex
I am trying to look cool in front of virgins and being called out like this doesn't help.
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@Savant
All it would take to debunk this theory is for someone else to say they liked several of Austin's posts. If JoeBob or Casey or someone has been liking them, then that solves the mystery. Otherwise, Austin has been liking his own posts in an effort to sway opinions, which comes across to me as strongly suspicious.
It's not suspicious, but I believe you and this makes him a douchebag.
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@Lunatic
My plan was to vote you and call you out for scum slipping to see how you handled the pressure of if you would acnkowledge the scum slip. I opted to play elden ring all night instead, so it never ended up happening.
That would probably have made the game easier to play. I know I don't respond to a ton of pressure well as scum. I tend to think "how dare this piece of shit wrongly suspect me" and as town I tend to literally just not give a shit unless it takes too long to lynch me and then I get frustrated because I think somebody should have seen the light by now
I can agree with this logic
VYL joebob
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@Earth
@JoeBob
I do think it’s worth getting the coasting players involved at this stage, and I’d like to hear both their thoughts on the DP. Both of you need to engage with the DP more at this stage. I’d prefer not to lynch for inactivity like we did last game. With two votes on JoeBob already, I’m going to put some pressure on Earth.
VTL Earth
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@Lunatic
VTL joebob. I don't want a claim I just want thoughts on the game, reads, overall opinions, etc. Same with earth but I'll start the pressure here.
Gimme a sec
Official Vote Count:
JoeBob (2/5) - Lunatic, Wylted
Earth (1/5) - Whiteflame
Moozer (1/5) - Savant
Austin (1/5) - Moozer
Please let me know if there are any mistakes!
Slight town:
Casey - I can’t get behavoral reads off him, and it would be a good fake claim, but it seems legit to me.
Savant - bit mixed on this one. While he is the closest person to confirmed town role wise, he seems to be picking anything and everything to sus Austin, which doesn’t seem like him.
Null -
Everyone not mentioned above, minus moozer and Earth- like I said before, I suck at behavioral reads, and since we have no more claims, I can’t go off that.
Slight scum -
Moozer-all the games he’s played, I don’t think he’s been away for quite this long. Plus the vote on someone is weird now that I think about it.
Earth-is he usually this inactive? I mean he usually posts more than once in a DP, so this is odd.
half bold because I don’t know how that tool works so I can’t get it to go unbold
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@WyIted
Maybe he has a job or something
🤯
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@JoeBob
Earth-is he usually this inactive? I mean he usually posts more than once in a DP, so this is odd.
At least from my perspective, his inactivity is, at worst, a null read. I actually give it the slightest of town reads because I just had experience playing with him when he was scum, and his activity was generally elevated. I suspect he’s just not very invested in games where he’s town, but I also don’t want to read too deeply into it.
Finally caught up. Noticed Savant's claim, and yeah, I both Austin and Savant are town.
READS from most Town to least
Savant
Casey
Austin
(Everyone below this is basically null, but I tried to organize it best I can)
WF
Lunatic
Wylted
Moozer
Joebob
I am fine with JoeBob claiming. Sorry I haven't been active as much as I should.
Just caught up. Agree with most of Luna's points, obviously. I'm fine with a Earth or Joebob claim. Unfortunately, it's not rly out of meta for either of them to be lurky, but might as well try and get something.
I'd also like to remind everyone not to forget about Moozer, if he doesn't come back at least once before the end of the DP to explain himself then that's kinda on him.