Breath of the Wild Mafia DP1

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@Lunatic
It's probably worth outing your role tbh (doctor is not a counter claim to this) but if  your role prevents you from dying immediately I would say thats probably a counter. 
Ok. I am soilder. I can survive one mafia NK.
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Buddy, I have no clue lol. I got no idea what Moozer gave mafia.
Speaking as the person who may be most opposed to choosing you as a lynch right now, that's not helpful. Maybe try re-reading the DP and getting some behavioral reads if you have no ideas based on the given claims. You've got time, use it.

Otherwise, just claim, dude.

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Thats almost the same power Savant has. He just lives another day.
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Ok. I am soilder. I can survive one mafia NK.
Yeah, that is a pseudo-CC. I don't know why Moozer would give town an effective town BP and a Bleeder.

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Savant is a bleeder. Savant would die after the next day he is shot.
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Actually one second.
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Player            Claim       Description                           Role                  NP1          NP2        NP3
Casey_Risk   Urbosa (female pirate/ghost)            Granny              n/a
Savant            Purah (fake ID for senior discount)  Bleeder            n/a
Lunatic          Roham  (the patriarchy)                         King DP1()       n/a
Best.Korea   Mipha (dolphin girl/ghost)                   Confirmable
Austin             Impa (old woman)                                   Confirmable (and survivable)


Looking at this list.... Also these heroes kind of feel important. Barney may have a point in mafia could have been given fake claims.

Impa, purah maybe the least since they aren't one of the guardians or whatever (based on cursory google searches) but I do have a reason to think austin is probably town, based on wifom and some assumptions that I can't really say without outing his potential role. 
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Well that's interesting. Why did no one tag me about this? Anyway...

That is a similar role, even if it's not exactly the same. Not sure if Moozer would put both in the game, but he is a new mod. Given that Moozer messed up the last game and half the justifications don't make sense, I'm not about to say two similar roles are an impossibility.
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Ok. I am soilder. I can survive one mafia NK.
That's... definitely a bit odd. That's not how I've seen Soldier in any other game - this sounds like x1 bulletproof.

I find it really weird that Moozer would give Soldier like this version, considering two things:
-He was advised by Pie, who uses a different version of Soldier.
-Moozer's first game on here, chess mafia, included a different Soldier role as well.

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@JoeBob
Can you explain why exactly you claimed your role is confirmable here?

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Okay, I don't think I would put it pass Moozer to put a Bleeder and a BP in the same game. LOTR mafia had like 2 redirecting roles.
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Actually nevermind. I am stupid commuter doesn't redirect.
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Do I need to state the obvious here? JoeBob and Granny can confirm each other.
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Oh wait I misread that. JoeBob only survives mafia night kills.
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Why did no one tag me about this?
Sorry about that, but still I think we agreed not to lynch you this dp anyway, but this does kinda make you the most likely scum currently. I would still like a claim from Earth tho. If for nothing, just to lock him to claim and check justification for role.
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Dashboard
Player            Claim       Description                           Role                  NP1          NP2        NP3
Casey_Risk   Urbosa (female pirate/ghost)            Granny              n/a
Savant            Purah (fake ID for senior discount)  Bleeder            n/a
Lunatic          Roham  (the patriarchy)                         King DP1()       n/a
Best.Korea   Mipha (dolphin girl/ghost)                   Confirmable
Austin             Impa (old woman)                                   Confirmable (and survivable)
Joebob          Link  (hero)                                                  Soldier

Updated with the new info. The Soldier role is "confirmable" in a sense, though surviving an NK could be achieved through multiple means, so it's not a straightforward confirmation as he suggested.

To address the follow-up statements:

This is clearly not the role on mafiauniverse, which functions as a Vig, but it is the role as described on some websites, e.g. https://mafia42.fandom.com/wiki/Soldier. It's not clear from my reading of either that role or the one JoeBob claimed that he can survive any NK, just the mafia NK. Worth asking about, though I'll note that even if it does soak up the Granny shot, it would have to be confirmed by JoeBob that he no longer was BP in order to confirm both of them, and we don't know if he'll receive a message to that effect.

Looking back at the list of roles from the LotR, I don't see any roles that CC one another, though I'm open to someone explaining how they do. Here's the link: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/11086-lord-of-the-rings-mafia-dp1?page=3&post_number=73. I can't see two redirecting roles @Earth, so I don't get that point.

As for whether Moozer would use this role, I think it's plausible. He clearly had a set of roles he was selecting from for the first game, so to claim that his help from Pie meant that he would only consider roles Pie would pull from doesn't follow. Neither does pointing out that Moozer was in a previous game with a Soldier. Moozer is crafting this one. He didn't craft the Chess Mafia game.
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@JoeBob
Roles which save you from mafia kills are almost never confirmable, even if they succeed in saving you from mafia kill.
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Yeah, not like mafia are about to go out of their way to confirm someone for the town.
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@AustinL0926
Can you explain why exactly you claimed your role is confirmable here?
can’t I be confirmed if no one dies a night though? Although the more I think about it the less it makes sense
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@whiteflame
Bodyguard and doctor are similar roles, though they're mainly just the same broad category. Sam and Merry&pippin are pretty similar through.
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@Earth
You should really claim at this point, since you're likely going to have to anyway and it just looks more suspicious the longer you wait.
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I can almost confirm joebob because the way his role is described is very similar to way my role is described, but the way savant described his role stands out. The key word being "mafia kill" instead of "night kill".

Its an interesting choice of words, and it seems same was used to describe joe's role and my role.
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Soldier doesn't confirm PGO if Soldoer can't visit.
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That’s not how a soldier works lol
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I gotta remember this is a moozer game tho and he is new 
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mine said mafia kill, but I thought night kill and mafia kill are used interchangeably 
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Bodyguard and doctor are similar roles, though they're mainly just the same broad category. Sam and Merry&pippin are pretty similar through.
They’re not pseudo-CCs, though. BG self-sacrifices to protect a target, effectively a one-time (if successful) use at the cost of the user. Doctor has no sacrifice and is only limited by the number of shots they have. They’re both protective of someone else, but that’s the only overlap. 

What we’re talking about here is self-protection. The two roles are clearly self-protective, and function off of a similar mode: must be the target of some night kill. The only difference in this case is effect, i.e. survive one more DP or just survive. You can argue that you could activate your role via the Granny, so that is a distinction as well, but your modes of action are basically the same. That’s a pseudo-CC.
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I can almost confirm joebob because the way his role is described is very similar to way my role is described, but the way savant described his role stands out. The key word being "mafia kill" instead of "night kill".

Its an interesting choice of words, and it seems same was used to describe joe's role and my role.
I’ll have to trust you on that one. The pseudo-CC itself stands out more than anything. If JoeBob is town doing this, then Savant’s claim looks scummy. If Savant flipped town, JoeBob necessarily looks scummy. 
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You can argue that you could activate your role via the Granny, so that is a distinction as well
I can't visit people, so I can't die via the granny.

To be honest though, I don't think Moozer is super clear on "pseudo-cc's" and that mods are supposed to avoid them.
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Also, Sam and Merry&pippin function pretty similarly. Become the target of some other plyer.