Moozer - Castling
JoeBob - Algebraic Notation
Savant - Pawn
Earth - Stockfish
Lunatic - ELO Rating System
Barney - Pin
SupaDudz - Black Pieces
Whiteflame - Strategy
Pie - Platform
Chess Mafia DP2
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@whiteflame
As my character very clearly gives away my role and I can confirm myself (character, role and, most importantly, alignment), I would prefer not to.
So your role is also confirmable?
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@ILikePie5
So your role is also confirmable?
Yes, and given the nature of how it confirms me, it also strongly supports my alignment.
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@whiteflame
Yes, and given the nature of how it confirms me, it also strongly supports my alignment.
So three of us have confirmable roles. Fascinating
Black Pieces is such a odd character claim.
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@whiteflame
I assumed it was because someone targeted me. It's possible that the person who did that targeted me with an RB, that's literally on the list of actions he said would not affect mine. What was also on the list, and what I left off just in case it came up, was Motion Detector, the role that Barney just claimed.
Yeah… that’s not what he claimed at all….
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@whiteflame
What I find harder to believe is that Austin would actively facilitate scum like this by sending me that information after the night actions played out. It's not the best that it came out after the beginning of DP2 to begin with, but it lines up with Barney's telling of events. Maybe Austin would do this, actively affording scum an alibi for their actions that just so happens to include a fake claim that Barney actively used. Right now, I don't buy it.
At most this should be null. Barney is claiming information that's been made publicly known in the day phase since the first page. It's funny you would jump to the conclusion he was town and mod-confirmed to you here only. That would be rather convenient, but yeah doesn't seem like Austin would do that.
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@Lunatic
@Barney
Yeah… that’s not what he claimed at all….
It’s a very odd claim. He claimed investigator roleblocker where he targets two people. If he targets Person A and if Person A moves, person B gets roleblocked. I’m curious to hear the justification for that since a pin involves one move. He thinks I’m bullying him so can you ask for his justification.
It was actually me that brought up the Motion Detector based on what I remembered about the role. Now that you brought it up, I looked at MafiaScum and MafiaUniverse and it says MD detects motions on and by the person. It’s very odd
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@Vader
Black pieces. Yes it’s a bit weird and that’s why I held off but seeing that JoeBob’s role was some form of a descriptor I feel a bit better. My role is also confirmable next DP and is one of the reasons I wanted to lynch JoeBob that I didn’t describe before
Black pieces.... Hmm
This is only the second physical thing to be claimed since pawn. I don't know that the theme split would be physical vs non physical, seems a little abstract, but so far it's the only real commonality I can see here among the claims.
I’m curious why the people who can confirm, could not confirm today? … except for whiteflame of course, since he was using a power loaned to him.
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@ILikePie5
It’s a very odd claim. He claimed investigator roleblocker where he targets two people. If he targets Person A and if Person A moves, person B gets roleblocked. I’m curious to hear the justification for that since a pin involves one move. He thinks I’m bullying him so can you ask for his justification.It was actually me that brought up the Motion Detector based on what I remembered about the role. Now that you brought it up, I looked at MafiaScum and MafiaUniverse and it says MD detects motions on and by the person. It’s very odd
yeah you were right about him being a roleblocker though. As mafia, I can see if he straight out claimed roleblocker he might think that was more scummy than outlining a roleblocker with specific function like this. But do you find it odd that there would be multiple town roleblocking roles?
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@Lunatic
yeah you were right about him being a roleblocker though. As mafia, I can see if he straight out claimed roleblocker he might think that was more scummy than outlining a roleblocker with specific function like this. But do you find it odd that there would be multiple town roleblocking roles?
Very odd isn’t it? That’s why I don’t believe it one bit
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@ILikePie5
Very odd isn’t it? That’s why I don’t believe it one bit
Same. I think I would have to reveal some stuff in order to make that case for other townies to also buy this logic though. Should I reveal? Or at least partially reveal the part relevant here?
Earth gives something but the person can’t use their action if they want to use it. Barney can see if someone moves and if they do, they can roleblock
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@Lunatic
Same. I think I would have to reveal some stuff in order to make that case for other townies to also buy this logic though. Should I reveal? Or at least partially reveal the part relevant here?
Do whatever you think is best
The Pin has the power set described due to one piece blocking another unless moved. It's pretty straight forward, even if not a perfect fit.
Observe:
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@Earth
Would you mind asking Austin if your power counts as an active action?
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@Lunatic
Yeah… that’s not what he claimed at all….
As I saw it, he claimed a “weak investigator” role (likely Motion Detector, given that he said I didn’t move) and that his RB was contingent on it seeing movement from me. What did I get wrong?
Okay so there is actually 3 reasons here that I suspect Barney for not telling the truth fully. I am going to try and be as discreet as possible with giving information here because it effects other people, not just me. If it was just me it effected I would full reveal it all.
Reason 1: My role is, I would consider an investigative role. It specifically deals with identifying roles that prevent or effect other actions. I am a mathematician, and each night I am supposed to receive a number of people from the mod that tells me how many actions were interfered with. From questions I asked the mod, this could be any action that interferes with or tampers with a role, including redirects, frames, lawyers, godfathers being investigated, etc etc.
Reason 2: I was consensually roleblocked last night (though I passively receive results, I am considered an active role). Given the circumstances regarding the roleblock, I believe I know who I was roleblocked by and I believe that person is town 100% based on the wording of the message. If barney is town I am forced to buy that there are multiple town roleblocking roles which now seems too much anti town utility, especially in light of a miller.
Reason 3: His role also functions as an investigator (virtually he can tell who has an active visiting role). We also have a confirmed flipped tracker, whiteflame claimed a cop ability, my role is investigative, and Supa hinted at an investigative role as well at the beginning of the phase as part of his reasons for vote switching off of joebob.
To start we should probably get a full claim from supa, as he claims his role is confirmable. But at this point I find barney's claim way too much of a coincidence.
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@whiteflame
As I saw it, he claimed a “weak investigator” role (likely Motion Detector, given that he said I didn’t move) and that his RB was contingent on it seeing movement from me. What did I get wrong?
It's more the avoidance of acknowledging the whole role blocking aspect that I have a problem titling him that. It's like a title that purposefully paints him in a town light.
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@Vader
Can you role claim?
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@Lunatic
At most this should be null. Barney is claiming information that's been made publicly known in the day phase since the first page. It's funny you would jump to the conclusion he was town and mod-confirmed to you here only. That would be rather convenient, but yeah doesn't seem like Austin would do that.
…except that’s not true. I never said that my use of the chess engine would not be registered as movement. I also never said that Motion Detector was on the list of roles that would not be triggered/effective against it.
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@Lunatic
It's more the avoidance of acknowledging the whole role blocking aspect that I have a problem titling him that. It's like a title that purposefully paints him in a town light.
I acknowledged the RB. Just because I focused the attention of that post on the Motion Detector element doesn’t mean I ignored the RB in my responses.
At most this should be null. Barney is claiming information that's been made publicly known in the day phase since the first page. It's funny you would jump to the conclusion he was town and mod-confirmed to you here only. That would be rather convenient, but yeah doesn't seem like Austin would do that.…except that’s not true. I never said that my use of the chess engine would not be registered as movement. I also never said that Motion Detector was on the list of roles that would not be triggered/effective against it.
Why would it be considered movement? You are not actively visiting another player, your are being visited by them. It doesn't take genius logic to come by the conclusion that you didn't move anywhere. I think you are passing barney off way too easily over that. You are basically insinuating that austin bastard modded and mod confirmed him to you only over very faulty logic.
It's more the avoidance of acknowledging the whole role blocking aspect that I have a problem titling him that. It's like a title that purposefully paints him in a town light.I acknowledged the RB. Just because I focused the attention of that post on the Motion Detector element doesn’t mean I ignored the RB in my responses.
Well it actually tripped me up, because I read this post before fully catching up, so I was reading events backwards the whole time confused as heck thinking barney was a motion detector while reading posts where he was acknowledging he was a roleblocker and the whole time in my head I kept reverting to "why did whiteflame call him a motion detector"?
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@whiteflame
forgot to tag you in the above ^
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@Lunatic
But do you find it odd that there would be multiple town roleblocking roles?Very odd isn’t it? That’s why I don’t believe it one bit
Curious, it looks like you only just outed yourself, but Pie already knew... Am I missing something?
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@Lunatic
Why would it be considered movement? You are not actively visiting another player, your are being visited by them. It doesn't take genius logic to come by the conclusion that you didn't move anywhere. I think you are passing barney off way too easily over that. You are basically insinuating that austin bastard modded and mod confirmed him to you only over very faulty logic.
…I’m sincerely so lost on this portion of your post. I said that my use of the chess engine wasn’t considered to be movement. That is information I did not reveal back when I stated what happened at the start of the DP. Barney targeted me with what he claims was a Motion Detector that didn’t register movement.
So, what you’re assuming is that, somehow, Barney discerned from the limited information I gave within the DP that I used the chess engine, but in my use of it, I didn’t move? He somehow figured that out? Also, to be very clear about this, we’re talking about bastard modding either way. Austin delivered this info to me after the start of the DP, basically confirming that a role was used on me that fit that description. Either the person who used it was scum or they were town, but the confirmation was there regardless. The series of events fits far better for a town Barney than it does for a scum Barney.
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@Barney
Curious, it looks like you only just outed yourself, but Pie already knew... Am I missing something?
Check page 1 of the day phase out again. Did you think my memes were random? Pie was the only person who seemed to catch on what I was bread crumbing. There’s a reason I keep putting him in my town pile, aside from the behavior stuff I mention. And also why I didn’t hold him to the same standard of having to claim as I did with you.
Anyway, I have thoughts about Luna’s role that I’m going to type up later when I get more time.