VOTECOUNT (please let me know if I made any mistakes, I just checked the last few pages for bolded text):
Barney (3/4): Pie, Lunatic, Vader
Vader (1/4): Moozer
The well-known trinity.
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Alright, here’s where I stand now.
Whiteflame: probably town, seeing as they claimed pretty early on.
Pie: More likely to be scum mostly just as he’s been very aggressive hounding out other people. I would put him in direct opposition to Whiteflame, so if Whiteflame is scum, pie is almost certainly town, and vice versa.
Vader: Normally would have voted for them, but they agreed to the plan to see if Whiteflame and him are town or not, so I’ll suspend my vote for now. Well find out tommorow
Barney: I think their town, mostly because they have a good strong claim, and the only person going against them is pie, and his arguments weren’t that great.
lunatic: Don’t know much about them, but they would be next on my list, after pie.
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If you were originally going to vote Vader, I will encourage you not to, because he has agreed to the plan, so that will excuse him for now I think. I hope you will join me in voting pie, if not, I could settle for Luna.
Finally, if I die tonight, I guarantee it was either pie or Luna. If it does happen, I doubt there will be enough votes to actually lynch them, but I hope this helps.
VOTECOUNT:
Barney (3/4): Pie, Lunatic, Vader
Pie (1/4): Moozer
Speed! (is never town)
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@Earth
@Barney
@whiteflame
@Moozer325
For anyone having a hard time following, in post #269 I did an analysis on Pie and Lunatic. They both gave basically the same highly unintelligent response of denying it exists.Pie is now jumping up and down claiming he never wrote #290 (nor have I quoted him at all "You didn’t quote me" (see above for repeated direct quotations)), in which he proclaimed his DP3 role reveal will magically explain his every action, including how he knew Joebob was scum.
No. I said my role will reveal how every weird assumption that Barney is making that somehow I am a day cop, messenger, roleblocker, is just wrong. He is assuming all of this (not true) based on comments other people including Vader have made. I know my role. Lunatic knows my role partially. I never once said I know JoeBob’s affiliation. Never. If I say I’m confident JoeBob is scum, or I’m certain he’s scum, it is hyperbole based on the information given. Clearly I was wrong last DP. But if I said I knew Joe’s affiliation, why would I lynch him and then say “oh I knew JoeBob’s affiliation DP1.” It’s blatant gaslighting.
Oh sorry, if you believe he wrote 290, like the author name on it suggests, you're a meanie who's gaslighting him!...
And im a “bully.” Go on.
I admit I have a much harder time believing this wanton stupidity from Lunatic. Either way, I'd bet a hefty sum that they're the scum team. With Lunatic falling back into the shadows, my money is on them being the more valuable of the two mafiosos.
There’s nothing stupid about anything Lunatic has said. You’re purposely twisting his words and coming up with random shit to cause chaos.
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@Moozer325
Pie: More likely to be scum mostly just as he’s been very aggressive hounding out other people. I would put him in direct opposition to Whiteflame, so if Whiteflame is scum, pie is almost certainly town, and vice versa.
I’m always aggressive in hounding people. Go read my town games and scum games. It’s not affiliation indicative. What makes Whiteflame scum if I’m town though?
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@Barney
Pie has stated that his role how he knew with certainty Joebob is scum (an addition to what feels like a half dozen other powers, which can't be revealed until DP3). His only defense of that is claiming that calling him out on his word is "grasping at straws."I suspect he'll backtrack and blame eating paint chips as a child or something.
This is completely false and a desperate attempt to make pie look bad in hopes that someone like moozer hasn't read anything thats happened up until this point just wagons. I see no town reason for you to lie like this. You know pie never lynched joebob because of his role. No one even asked for his role or character until this day phase. This gaslighting is scummy as all hell
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@ILikePie5
Are you seeing this lol?
Barney is getting desperate and just spreading lies at this point and its unfortunately working on noobs like moozer. Hopefully earth isn't fooloish enough to blindly believe that bs
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@ILikePie5
I would agree but I think the 1 to 1 is a narrow minded strategy that usually fails unless it’s CC vs CC. I usually hate when people boil it down to just that
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@Barney
I can do the same for Lunatic with his incredibly lazy garbage explanation for my analysis. They're not actually using the worst tactic, with minimal effect that can get newer players to not read analysis by effectively claiming it didn't occur.
It's funny, because that is the EXACT tactic you are using now. Scummy....
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@Barney
I don’t rule them out as a scum team, in fact I’m likely putting more pressure on them if you flip town tbh since I am not fond of them being very buddy buddy. Anyway I’m lowkey lost in this game. First time I’m just stumped.
I also don’t rule out Moozer as scum either. I’m not sure how a consensus top town read is a scum read
^ above to clarify without any reasonable claims to such
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@Barney
Ok, here it's possible he's an inventor, messenger, roleblocker, mod confirmed to the target hybrid... Pigs occasionally fly as well.
Anything you can do to prevent him proving it dp3 huh? Btw I never said he was mod confirmed, just role confirmed. However this is not a role that I've ever seen mafia have and it makes little to no sense for mafia to have a role that politely asks the victim if they wanna donate their role for the night.
I'm saying how the PM described it. Whereas you and Lunatic are claiming that you are privately mod confirmed RB/messenger/day cop who is right that Joebob was actually scum in spite what he looks like in the graveyard etc... I can't keep track of how many traits you two have added to your role. It's insane.Again, your role apparently told you with certainty that Joebob was guilty in DP1... and he flipped innocent, but we're just supposed to forget?
Nobody ever mentioned anything about the FOS for joebob having anything to do with Pie's role. You better start putting up some qoutes quick because this is you blatantly lying!
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@Vader
Have you caught the part where barney is blatantly lying yet? This is unbelievable desperation. I've never seen scum so desperate.
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@Vader
I also don’t rule out Moozer as scum either. I’m not sure how a consensus top town read is a scum read
Moozer probably just skims and wagons the reasoning of whoever he read last lol. Dude is flying under the radar brilliantly if he is scum.
Exactly 3 hours remain in the DP. No extensions will be given.
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@luna
Moozer probably just skims and wagons the reasoning of whoever he read last lol. Dude is flying under the radar brilliantly if he is scum.
I am doing the opposite of bandwagoning. I know that two of either pie, you, or Vader are scum, and the other is just bandwagoning. My guess is the town one is Vader, but if it’s you, you need to wake up, or we won’t have enough votes to be able to lynch anyone.
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@Moozer325
I am doing the opposite of bandwagoning. I know that two of either pie, you, or Vader are scum, and the other is just bandwagoning. My guess is the town one is Vader, but if it’s you, you need to wake up, or we won’t have enough votes to be able to lynch anyone.
How do you know that. Point out where I said I knew JoeBob’s affiliation DP1 before lynching him. It never happened. You’re literally buddying Barney so hard for zero reason besides “Pie is aggressive,” which I am every game.
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@Moozer325
I am doing the opposite of bandwagoning. I know that two of either pie, you, or Vader are scum, and the other is just bandwagoning. My guess is the town one is Vader, but if it’s you, you need to wake up, or we won’t have enough votes to be able to lynch anyone.
Okay how do you "know" two of the three of us are scum? Why is barney and whiteflame not on this list?
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@whiteflame
Why do you think Barney is pulling shit out of his ass?
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@Lunatic
@ILikePie5
Mostly because they have actually claimed. You are insisting on stalling by saying, “my role is confirmable next round”. Sure it might be, but why can’t you just tell us in advance, because that’s what everyone else it doing! Sure I don’t “know” anything, but it’s not just that your aggressive, your doing exactly what the mafia would do, not to say that you are mafia, but you’ve made a much better case for yourself than Whiteflame, and maybe Barney. I could be wrong, but this is the hill I’m dying on.
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@Moozer325
Mostly because they have actually claimed. You are insisting on stalling by saying, “my role is confirmable next round”. Sure it might be, but why can’t you just tell us in advance, because that’s what everyone else it doing! Sure I don’t “know” anything, but it’s not just that your aggressive, your doing exactly what the mafia would do, not to say that you are mafia, but you’ve made a much better case for yourself than Whiteflame, and maybe Barney. I could be wrong, but this is the hill I’m dying on.
Because my role is confirmable. And the less information we give to mafia, the more likely they make a mistake that benefits town. Just because that’s what everyone else doing doesn’t mean it’s the right option. Outting roles only benefits scum because they can work against town since they know their roles.
What am I doing that mafia would do? Not claiming? It’s very common for town members to hide their roles for the fear of being killed or interefered with in their actions. The only point I will claim is if I’m one vote away from being lynched. And even then it’s going to be a net negative to town.
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@Lunatic
@ILikePie5
It’s fine if you don’t want to claim, but if your going to be aggressive at getting others to claim, the you have to claim also.
Outting roles only benefits scum because they can work against town since they know their roles.
Then why are you forcing everyone else out? You keep contradicting yourself, just like the
mafia would.
And the less information we give to mafia, the more likely they make a mistake that benefits town.
Sam thing here. You’re defending your not claiming, and then going after other people to claim, so you can have more information about who to kill.
Mark my words, if I’m dead before the next morning, it was you or Luna.
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@Moozer325
It’s fine if you don’t want to claim, but if your going to be aggressive at getting others to claim, the you have to claim also.
That’s not true at all. To get claims from others, you have to convince others to help you via voting the person. We got 3/4 votes on Barney and forced him to claim. You’re welcome to do that right now, but with less than 3 hours left, it makes no sense to do so.
Then why are you forcing everyone else out? You keep contradicting yourself, just like themafia would.
We force people to out who we think is sus. Barney refused to claim for at least 24 hours. Then he investigator and Roleblocker and when someone mentioned MD, he didn’t bother correcting it. And then he changed his role to The Pin which means his character is the same as his role. Weird. It’s not contradictory to hunt for scum. And it’s not like I can do it alone. I have to gather support from other people. Everyone can do it, not just me. It’s not contradictory.
Sam thing here. You’re defending your not claiming, and then going after other people to claim, so you can have more information about who to kill.
It makes sense if I said my role was not confirmable. But I said my role is confirmable. Meaning that if I was lying about my role, I would be caught tomorrow and be lynched. The same cannot be said for Barney
Mark my words, if I’m dead before the next morning, it was you or Luna.
We don’t know who’s going to die. But if Barney flips town then tomorrow is LYLO and we have to reevaluate all of our priors
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@Moozer325
Mostly because they have actually claimed. You are insisting on stalling by saying, “my role is confirmable next round”. Sure it might be, but why can’t you just tell us in advance, because that’s what everyone else it doing! Sure I don’t “know” anything, but it’s not just that your aggressive, your doing exactly what the mafia would do, not to say that you are mafia, but you’ve made a much better case for yourself than Whiteflame, and maybe Barney. I could be wrong, but this is the hill I’m dying on.
You realize whiteflame hasn't claimed either right? And you don't have him on your POE. Also I stated I can role confirm pie via his actions last night.
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@Barney
@Vader
@whiteflame
I’m not goi to convince the die-hards here, so this one is mostly aimed at Vader and Whiteflame. Even though barney claimed late, he still did claim, while pie and Luna have not. I urge to join me in voting pie, and Same goes for you barney. The four of us can make a voting block, and take out the real mafia, but if two of us are stupid enough to get fooled, then we’re done for.
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@Moozer325
I’m not goi to convince the die-hards here, so this one is mostly aimed at Vader and Whiteflame. Even though barney claimed late, he still did claim, while pie and Luna have not. I urge to join me in voting pie, and Same goes for you barney. The four of us can make a voting block, and take out the real mafia, but if two of us are stupid enough to get fooled, then we’re done for.
Why are you allying with Barney when he has literally lied about me lol
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@Moozer325
I’m not goi to convince the die-hards here, so this one is mostly aimed at Vader and Whiteflame. Even though barney claimed late, he still did claim, while pie and Luna have not.
See this is why you REALLY need to read before posting. I have claimed and never gave resistance to it. I am full claimed. Since you don't read, I'll tell you my claim again. I am the Elo Rating System, and my role is Mathematician, I learn how many actions were tampered with each night.
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@Barney
@ILikePie5
@Moozer325
I’m caught up and this nonsense is giving me a headache.
Barney keeps talking about some claim that JoeBob had been confirmed guilty… I think by Pie, though I do not recall any such claim.
I do think it’s odd (and have expressed as much) that Pie has strong reason to believe Luna is town, but has also said that he has some means of proving himself next DP, but given the role setup this game, I can at least fathom some strange pairing of roles that cannot be used together or that would have been difficult to use together that could explain why Pie is doing this. It’s not a lot to go on, and I’d prefer that he just clarify his reason for townreading Luna and leave the full claim until next DP, but he seems adamant that he has to delay and if I don’t see a really good reason for that by DP, then he’s on the chopping block.
So… Moozer, I just can’t go with you on this lynch. He’s one of the few people who has claimed an absolute capacity to prove some very key elements of his role. I’ve got more reasons to pursue a lynch against Luna and Vader, neither of whom can confirm themselves and, depending on how each of them flips, could inform an easy decision next DP. Sincerely, Barney would be a better choice in my book for PoE at least.
We don’t have much longer in the DP. If we don’t make any progress toward a different lynch, I’m going to be hammering Barney at this stage.
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@whiteflame
That’s a fair point, and I probably should have expected that. You said you could go with Luna maybe?
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