Chess Mafia DP2

Barney, pie made some good points, so I’ll give you a chance to represent yourself here.

Pie - Basically either Pie is scum, or is really bad (not to say outright horrible) at this game. The truly excessive tunneling, and doubling down any time he got anything from it... The result of actually giving him information isn't shifting his vote to pressure anyone who has given less information, it's a desperate push for a mislynch. While mislynching me is not as easy as pie (pun intended), he's used me being busy DP1 to justify it when that has zero barring on if I am or am not town

Youre confused because you don’t know my role and how it works. You can see tomorrow how exactly everything squares but I don’t think you’re going to be alive

And of course the communication with Lunatic should speak for itself., to include Lunatic outright telling everyone that Pie was not really tunneling... If nothing else were true, it'd still be true that Pie is obsessively tunnely on me.

Youre confused because you don’t know my role and how it works. You can see tomorrow how exactly everything squares but I don’t think you’re going to be alive

Lunatic says Pie is a RB and "100% town," whereas Pie strongly hints to be an inventor. Too damned much doesn't fit.

Youre confused because you don’t know my role and how it works. You can see tomorrow how exactly everything squares but I don’t think you’re going to be alive

Regarding Joebob, while Lunatic initiated the wagon, Pie largely lead it, even claiming he was certain Joebob was scum (others seemed to more of accept killing a low utility townie because not lynching is not an option to most).

Youre confused because you don’t know my role and how it works. You can see tomorrow how exactly everything squares but I don’t think you’re going to be alive

Ok, here it's possible he's an inventor, messenger, roleblocker, mod confirmed to the target hybrid... Pigs occasionally fly as well.

Youre confused because you don’t know my role and how it works. You can see tomorrow how exactly everything squares but I don’t think you’re going to be alive

As for Pie, a lot of his reasoning depends on me being a mind reader who knew ahead of time that whiteflame would have the cop ability last night (which if scum and I knew he had any investigative power, he would have been high priority for the NK).

Even had I the ability to detect roles (quite possible scum used such an ability on me; and yet they still won't directly counter claim since we're not at mislynch and lose yet... mislynching me would put us there), it would not have detected the item he was given, and I would have not known last night to use any non-blockable power on him. ... The truth doesn't align to their narrative, whereas their narrative is questionable at best.

Me not saying motion detector right away, is because the mod did not call my role a motion detector. He called it "The Pin!" and went on to describe the two tiered function of it.

I called it a weak investigator to know if someone moved, someone else who knows the game better than me knew what type of weak investigator that is. When tagging you and Vader in a post, I even referred to that Vader would see someone was targeted by the pin, rather than expressly a motion detector. Of course, the desire to kill any investigators is key for scum to win.

Alright, that makes sense. I’ll stick with Vader for now, and you’re welcome to join me. I am sorry, but I completely forgot how me and Vader can confirm you, can you say that again?

Honestly I am not convinced. 

Vader, if you use your power on whiteflame, you can confirm that I used my role on him (well at least that someone used the pin on him).

Were I scum, I'd have used the first half of my power on the other scum while they carried out the NK to guarantee the RB triggered.

Moozer, if you use your power on Vader, you guarantee his survival to out the aforementioned information.

Vader, if you use your power on whiteflame, you can confirm that I used my role on him (well at least that someone used the pin on him).

Were I scum, I'd have used the first half of my power on the other scum while they carried out the NK to guarantee the RB triggered.

Moozer, if you use your power on Vader, you guarantee his survival to out the aforementioned information.

You willingly chose to target Whiteflame over someone you knew had a power role

Knowing WF used a cop has nothing to do with you choosing to visit him to use your roleblocker.

So your character is the same as your role? Cause your character is Pin. And now you’re saying that it’s “The Pin.” That is very very weird.

So why would you not clarify this when you full claimed?

For now, suffice it to say that I believe the argument that Barney would necessarily have obtained some information from Austin about why his role (whatever it is) failed, I just don’t know if I buy that Austin volunteered even more information, i.e. the kind of breakdown that would have included specifics on what other roles would fail that were largely distinct from his. If he had received that information, I don’t think he would have then failed to claim Motion Detector knowing that I would have townread that claim, nor would he have any reason to claim the attached RB.

I still just don’t see it as the most plausible set of circumstances that could lead to this conclusion, and frankly, I don’t buy that he somehow intuited a lack of movement on my part. He would have had to receive that information from Austin.

So if he is scum, either Austin gave him just enough information to know that the RB failed, which makes me question why he would take the logical leap to saying that I hadn’t moved and then bank wholly on that leap for his claim, or Austin gave him way too much information and Barney, for reasons I cannot fathom, chose to only use a bit of it and give a claim that would inherently set off alarm bells to boot, given that it’s hard to see a town RB and think anything else.

If not Barney, then it’s Supa

Joining Pie in claiming functional illiteracy? I've been crystal clear for quite awhile that I used my motion detector on whiteflame, not the role blocking second half of the power. Hence I got the result that whiteflame did not move, and subsequently you were not roleblocked. With how you're acting, I wouldn't be surprised if you're now going to change your story to having been roleblocked by me.

I'm saying how the PM described it. Whereas you and Lunatic are claiming that you are privately mod confirmed RB/messenger/day cop who is right that Joebob was actually scum in spite what he looks like in the graveyard etc... I can't keep track of how many traits you two have added to your role. It's insane.

Again, your role apparently told you with certainty that Joebob was guilty in DP1... and he flipped innocent, but we're just supposed to forget?

As stated literally on the first post of this page: "Me not saying motion detector right away, is because the mod did not call my role a motion detector. He called it "The Pin!" and went on to describe the two tiered function of it."

This point is too narrow minded btw. There’s no reason there needs be a 1 of 1 trade off because there is nothing to trade on. It’s not it’s a CC or anything on that lines. You are also forgetting what I said in 251 and earth and Whiteflame. I highly doubt there are 2 roles where you can communicate or give actions to others. Would be way broken

Let’s also consider the fact that at this moment, no cop (besides the 1x given to WF) is in this game or claimed so far.

Let’s also consider the fact that at this moment, no cop (besides the 1x given to WF) is in this game or claimed so far

Based on the dashboard you posted, Moozer was the most likely to move at that point in time

I'm saying how the PM described it. Whereas you and Lunatic are claiming that you are privately mod confirmed RB/messenger/day cop who is right that Joebob was actually scum in spite what he looks like in the graveyard etc... I can't keep track of how many traits you two have added to your role. It's insane.

Again, your role apparently told you with certainty that Joebob was guilty in DP1... and he flipped innocent, but we're just supposed to forget?

Neither me nor Lunatic said anything close to what you’re saying here.

Regarding Joebob, while Lunatic initiated the wagon, Pie largely lead it, even claiming he was certain Joebob was scum (others seemed to more of accept killing a low utility townie because not lynching is not an option to most).

Youre confused because you don’t know my role and how it works. You can see tomorrow how exactly everything squares but I don’t think you’re going to be alive

So after I said Motion Detector, you just went along with it and didn’t clarify that MD is not your role? Why?

Pie has stated that his role  how he knew with certainty Joebob is scum (an addition to what feels like a half dozen other powers, which can't be revealed until DP3).

His only defense of that is claiming that calling him out on his word is "grasping at straws."

I suspect he'll backtrack and blame eating paint chips as a child or something.

I have not. Please point to the post where I said that.

Regarding Joebob, while Lunatic initiated the wagon, Pie largely lead it, even claiming he was certain Joebob was scum (others seemed to more of accept killing a low utility townie because not lynching is not an option to most).

Youre confused because you don’t know my role and how it works. You can see tomorrow how exactly everything squares but I don’t think you’re going to be alive

He's a new player, with one off powers, and no clear person in need of defense. He was unlikely to move. Further, someone claimed initiating movement has no chance of catching scum claiming to have a role which does not move. Information gets gathered to catch people in lies.

Let's see who is gaslighting who...

Lets see, you claim that your role is how you knew with certainty that Joebob is scum

, and all will be revealed in DP3... Saying your role told you, sounds a lot like you saying your role told you. But it's "gaslighting" to literally quote you. You poor sweet child, the world must be so very harsh.

OMG! I just told you.

Are you actually going with the paint chip defense?

I prefer a Vader lynch. Honestly I been overwhelmed. Someone give me a TL;DR. 

I prefer a Vader lynch. Honestly I been overwhelmed. Someone give me a TL;DR.