Chess Mafia DP2

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I’d prefer that. He hasn’t responded to any of my questions regarding his claim and I honestly have no idea how he’s coming to so many conclusions about Pie. If we can’t get others on board for the lynch, though, it’s going to end up being Barney, so I’ve tagged everyone who doesn’t have a vote up. Better decide soon, we don’t have long.
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@Moozer325
I advise using a dashboard like the following, and publicly add to it when appropriate.

You'll still miss things, but less key informational moments.

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PLAYER                        ROLE                            CHAR__________          _NP1                                              NP2
2. Pie                        "confirmable"                    ???                                       ???
3. whiteflame       "confirmable"               "tactic"                     Copped Earth Inno
4. Moozer              1XBP+Protector            Castling                                  N/A
6. Lunatic               Mathematician               ELO                                 Something and RBed
7. Vader                  Even Night Voyeur      Black pieces                            N/A
8. Barney                     MD/RB                         The Pin                            wf/pie (fail)
9. Earth                "chess engine"              Stockfish                Gave WF chess engine

Killed/Lynched
1. Savant              Miller+Soldier                 Pawn
5. Joebob            Flipped Tracker     Algebraic Notation

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Yeah, obviously Barney won’t vote for himself, so that will tie it. If we don’t want that, I think our best bet is to get Vader of Barney, but that will be tricky.
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Small correction to your vote tally, I voted for Lunatic last night in post #269
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@ILikePie5
Why are you allying with Barney when he has literally lied about me lol
Nice job liking your own post. And what lie? That you wrote 290 so the quotations from it aren't from you... What possible scum power would enable me to post as you?

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@Moozer325
That’s a fair point, and I probably should have expected that. You said you could go with Luna maybe?

Unvote

VTL lunatic

Yeah I think im never playing with noobs again. You literally have 0 reason to lynch me other than I have called you out multiple times for your behavior and lack of participation. OMGUS. 
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Nice job liking your own post. And what lie? That you wrote 290 so the quotations from it aren't from you... What possible scum power would enable me to post as you?
I liked that post, because you are LITERALLY lying
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@whiteflame
I’d prefer that. He hasn’t responded to any of my questions regarding his claim and I honestly have no idea how he’s coming to so many conclusions about Pie. If we can’t get others on board for the lynch, though, it’s going to end up being Barney, so I’ve tagged everyone who doesn’t have a vote up. Better decide soon, we don’t have long.
When have you asked me any questions about my claim? 

WTF
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So this game has been a big confirmation to something I already knew about you. You will board whatever train that satisfies your ego the hardest. Whoever dick rides you the nicest, that's who you vote with. I am sorry but I am sick of doing that. This game is about catching scum. Go win some debates if you wanna inflate your ego. The fact that your happy with moozer's vote like that is evidence of what I am talking about. The fact that you accepted what pie said when it's legit the same shit I've been spewing at you all day, but maybe more nicely said, is evidence of that. Your a shite mafia player. Simply put, I have 0 respect for you or the way you play. 

If you manage to pull this lynch off, I am gonna rub it in your face so fucking hard and proceed to never play with you again. Get fucked. 
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@Lunatic
Nice job liking your own post. And what lie? That you wrote 290 so the quotations from it aren't from you... What possible scum power would enable me to post as you?
I liked that post, because you are LITERALLY lying
You too think Pie did not write 290... Nice to see scum sticking together on insane and pointless gambits.

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You too think Pie did not write 290... Nice to see scum sticking together on insane and pointless gambits.
If you think pie ever said his role had anything to do with his vote on joebob, your delusional. More likely your just lying and hoping noobs like moozer or earth will wagon your logic. Well grats, looks like your lies are fucking working. 
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Barney keeps talking about some claim that JoeBob had been confirmed guilty… I think by Pie, though I do not recall any such claim. 
Cause it doesn’t exist.

I do think it’s odd (and have expressed as much) that Pie has strong reason to believe Luna is town, but has also said that he has some means of proving himself next DP, but given the role setup this game, I can at least fathom some strange pairing of roles that cannot be used together or that would have been difficult to use together that could explain why Pie is doing this. It’s not a lot to go on, and I’d prefer that he just clarify his reason for townreading Luna and leave the full claim until next DP, but he seems adamant that he has to delay and if I don’t see a really good reason for that by DP, then he’s on the chopping block. 
There is a reason. Just trust me on this. Everything will all make sense. There’s a 90% chance he’s town. It also rides on your claim tomorrow. But as of now I have no reason to suspect Lunatic based on his interaction with me.
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@Moozer325
Yeah, obviously Barney won’t vote for himself, so that will tie it. If we don’t want that, I think our best bet is to get Vader of Barney, but that will be tricky.

It’s very easy to get Barney…
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Nice job liking your own post. And what lie? That you wrote 290 so the quotations from it aren't from you... What possible scum power would enable me to post as you?
You’re actually delusional. I never once said I investigated JoeBob guilty and for that reason his is scum in NP1. 
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@whiteflame
Ignore Lunatic for now. Everything will all make sense when I explain it tomorrow or die in the night and my flip is revealed. Can you just hammer Barney so we can move onto tomorrow. He’s literally grasping at straws
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@Lunatic
When have you asked me any questions about my claim?

WTF

So this game has been a big confirmation to something I already knew about you. You will board whatever train that satisfies your ego the hardest.
I stopped reading here. I’m tired of you just calling me out repeatedly for my ego, and I’m not going to engage with this shit. You want to believe it’s all about ego? Fine, whatever. If I’m wrong, you can call me out all you want in the Endgame.
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Everything will all make sense when I explain it tomorrow
See here’s the problem. I’m not very inclined to believe you. You keep saying everything will work out tomorrow, but that seems like a pretty obvious stalling tactic, because tomorrow, you can take out someone against you, and you can steamroll over everyone else. This is why we have to vote pie or Luna tonight!

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@Lunatic
I can do the same for Lunatic with his incredibly lazy garbage explanation for my analysis. They're not actually using the worst tactic, with minimal effect that can get newer players to not read analysis by effectively claiming it didn't occur.
It's funny, because that is the EXACT tactic you are using now. Scummy....
You've been away, and your scum buddy has been speaking for your team.

Let's see, going back to #269 again, and your extremely detailed response in #272
  • Lunatic - Mainly he's one of the best players, and his performance is quite weak this game, to include buddying an attempted mislynch. He even hints that he's a RB to support said mislynch, then changes to mathematician (I honestly started writing this message before catching that post where he full claimed). The claim that Lunatic and Pie communicated their roles via a South Park clip of Randy Marsh getting charity shamed, and a still image of Bernie Sanders, I do not buy. Nor do I buy that Pie roleblocked him, he didn't give this information, also is immune to RB but his power which doesn't visit anyone counts as active for my motion detector...
    As a small bonus, DP1 he initiated the wagon which mislynched Joebob.
  • Pie - Basically either Pie is scum, or is really bad (not to say outright horrible) at this game. The truly excessive tunneling, and doubling down any time he got anything from it... The result of actually giving him information isn't shifting his vote to pressure anyone who has given less information, it's a desperate push for a mislynch. While mislynching me is not as easy as pie (pun intended), he's used me being busy DP1 to justify it when that has zero barring on if I am or am not town.
    And of course the communication with Lunatic should speak for itself., to include Lunatic outright telling everyone that Pie was not really tunneling... If nothing else were true, it'd still be true that Pie is obsessively tunnely on me.
    Lunatic says Pie is a RB and "100% town," whereas Pie strongly hints to be an inventor. Too damned much doesn't fit.
    Regarding Joebob, while Lunatic initiated the wagon, Pie largely lead it, even claiming he was certain Joebob was scum (others seemed to more of accept killing a low utility townie because not lynching is not an option to most).
Lmao yeah then Barney comes in voting that way, 0 defense or explanation for the two town role lockers, I think this is rather telling.
I'm going to need to break this down for you...

At its most basic, if Pie is scum, then there's a greater than zero chance he's not town (in fact, I am 100% certain scum doesn't equal town)... So accusing him of being scum, is a greater than zero defense against said theory.

Then there's me not believing he RBed you at all, nor that he's a magical rainbow unicorn role with all the powers but none of them can be outed until DP3 (including mod confirming him, as you've said he's "100% town," which is something I don't see you doing for the contents of a message you claimed he sent you). You being that gullible, breaks the suspension of disbelief for me.
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@Lunatic
Well grats, looks like your lies are fucking working. 
Again, 290, Pie has outright stated I never quoted him.

I have repeatedly quoted him in my taunts.

You joining him saying I'm a liar and that he never wrote that post, is unbelievable of you as town (in fact, I'm baffled you're doing it as scum).
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Fine, fuck it. I’ve got dinner to make and I’m not going to keep checking into the DP to answer more questions and engage with all this more. I’m fine with bringing all this shit into DP3 if it means we can finally move on and get some answers. Still hate doing it, but at least it’s a lynch and, with roughly 5 minutes left, I can’t wait for Earth any longer. If I’m wrong about him and he flips scum, I’ll recalibrate next DP.

VTL Barney
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When have you asked me any questions about my claim?

WTF

Excuse me for not bothering to read this post because it contained so much repeated bull shit that you've said over and over again to confirm your biases. 

You've got a role of Mathematician. Setting aside that it's the first role we've had that designates a person as the role and just assuming that it's accurate, there are a bunch of things that don't make sense to me. You state that this is a passive role. You state that you receive a number of actions that are interfered with during the night in some way, shape or form. Fine. 

You then say that you were "consensually roleblocked last night"... so you actively courted an RB last DP? Where? When?
I was told by austin that a player asked me for a small donation, and that if I chose to donate I would forfeit any action I had for the night as if roleblocked. I chose to donate, because it didn't sound like a mafia role (I've never heard of a scum role where they politely ask their victim to be roleblocked) and it sounded like whatever role I was donating to would be more useful to town than knowing "X amount of players were interfered with."'

I breadcrumbed about hating charity organizations at the beginning of the day phase. No one said anything initially. Then pie said his role was confirmable, so I asked him his thoughts on charity organizations. His Bernie Sander meme was confirmation enough for that he was my visitor last night. And again because I have never seen a scum role like that, plus my town read on him for his aggressive lynch on joebob despite potential consequences, I figured pie was town. I was gonna come into this dp looking at any scum who would try to use that lynch against him. Surprise, the only person whose done that so far is Barney.

How would you know you were roleblocked when you've claimed a passive role? You say that "I am considered an active role," but I sincerely don't understand that. What part of your role is active? What part can be roleblocked? Did the roleblock result in your not receiving results during the last NP, or is there some other facet to your role that can be roleblocked, and if so, what is it? 
I passively recieve results, but I am an active role. Active roles can be interfered with or roleblocked. I asked austin this same thing last night because I was told I had to answer the donation request before I could receive my results. 

You then say that there are some unknown "circumstances regarding the roleblock" that suggest it was one specific person who used it. What circumstances? 
I just revealed it above, I now know it was pie. I didn't want to reveal all this unnecessarily because it effects pies claim and hes obviously waiting until dp3 to give out this information. 

 How does that confirm anyone? If there's good reason to believe that Pie is town, which you seem to be suggesting, then the fact that you've taken this long to explain it is just baffling. 
Why does town need two roleblocking abilities when they already have an anti town role in miller (and you could argue joebob)?

You seem to be asserting that you and Pie and confirm one another. So do it. Confirm yourselves. Stop beating around the bush with a weird claim and just out what happened and why you believe that confirms Pie. Telling me that you "bread crumbed" this interaction doesn't tell me jack shit because I still don't know what the interaction was. You could have just as easily planned to bread crumb as scum or as town, and claiming an RB role existed in the game before Barney isn't luck, it's just timing. Good or bad.
Thing is I shouldn't have to do any of this. Pie says he can confirm himself, you say you can confirm yourself, supa says he can confirm himself, why is pie not okay to wait til dp3 but you two are? I already town read him because I am the one who got the message. I don't need him to confirm himself to me more than he already has. 

And yes, I am starting to read you and Pie as scum buddies at this point. Thanks for pointing that out.
That is an incredibly lazy leap in logic that we would put this whole song and dance on for confirmation. All that to justify a defense on Barney. And your telling me its not about ego...
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I was town, Lunatic and Pie are the scum team.
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You should only be dropped down to MILO. So get one of them tomorrow, no matter the extensive lame excesses.
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@Moozer325
See here’s the problem. I’m not very inclined to believe you. You keep saying everything will work out tomorrow, but that seems like a pretty obvious stalling tactic, because tomorrow, you can take out someone against you, and you can steamroll over everyone else. This is why we have to vote pie or Luna tonight!
That’s just wrong. It’s not a stalking tactic. If I am lying then you lynch me. It’s pretty obvious. Who can I take out? If I’m lying I’m screwed. My personal guarantee should be enough. I know it’s hard, but since the beginning of the DP Lunatic has been communicative to me and his behavior is also towny af
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See here’s the problem. I’m not very inclined to believe you. You keep saying everything will work out tomorrow, but that seems like a pretty obvious stalling tactic, because tomorrow, you can take out someone against you, and you can steamroll over everyone else. This is why we have to vote pie or Luna tonight!
Its simple, you get your way either way. If people cant confirm themselves after saying they can they get lynched. But you realize their is 3 other people saying I can confirm myself tomorrow, vader and whiteflame included. So the fact that your cherry picking pie and me here feels a bit personal. Ive full claimed and volunteered any information I possibly can about my role. So I don't know why you keep lumping me in here, unless your just PO'ed that I called you out for lazy gameplay. 
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You should only be dropped down to MILO. So get one of them tomorrow, no matter the extensive lame excesses.
As the person who has been on this line a great deal of the DP, you don’t have to worry about me.
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Best of luck to the rest of you.

If in doubt, lynch the liars. Lunatic and Pie denying that Pie wrote a post which he verifiably wrote, should be quite telling.
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Time for a final vote count. I'll check my phone in a bit to lock the thread.
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I was town, Lunatic and Pie are the scum team.
You should ask austin why there is multiple town roleblockers then, because I am town, and I 100% believe pie is town too. 

Vader/moozer, moozer/whiteflame, or whiteflame/vader scum team. All will be revealed tomorrow regardless. We have enough POE with three different people claiming they are confirmable. 
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Lynch all liars was precisely what got you lynched. You shouldn't have lied about pies reasons for lynching joebob.