The Heroes of Olympus Mafia DP2

Austin is moving more into my scum pile. He's blatently not listening to the reasoning behind why people are suspicious of voting BK and suspicion. There are valid reason into supporting him that I cleared out. I won't reiterate them because that's a waste of time at this current point.

Tbh I was thinking about claiming a cop as a whole and drawing the NK to me, which hindsight has it would've been the optimal play, but I'd rather be purely honest with the town at this point in the game.

I think that Austin's whole push on the justification of reeks scummy. Pie really doesn't put much of the detailed enough to ensure it is 100% accurate but enough to not draw suspicion (like most mods), so I think it comes off as looking for a mislynch

[Why I investigated whiteflame]

Regardless, I am going to pursue character soft claims from both Earth and Austin at this point (to my knowledge, everyone else has either claimed or soft claimed). For all I know, Austin already has soft claimed, in which case let me know which post you used to do that. If you haven’t soft claimed and cant think of one, just tell me if you’re one of the five characters I mentioned at the bottom of this post. We need that information at this point.

That's reasonable enough.

I usually don't softclaim because I think it draws unnecessary attention while not giving town much info. Also still traumatized by that one time I softclaimed a PR in the Governors Mafia and got immediately murdered.

Anyway, my character is one of those five. My role is also not an x-shot ability, nor investigative, if that helps with mechanical analysis.

Austin is moving more into my scum pile. He's blatently not listening to the reasoning behind why people are suspicious of voting BK and suspicion. There are valid reason into supporting him that I cleared out. I won't reiterate them because that's a waste of time at this current point.

Like... I've read this five times and I still don't really understand what you're trying to say here. Are you saying I'm solely sus for not sussing BK? I already clarified that my townread of BK is based on thematic analysis as well as my understanding of his (somewhat erratic) behavior from previous games. That doesn't mean I'm clearing BK, but it means that I'm not going to blindly wagon on a lynch on him.

A few thoughts on GP...

First, I don't fully understand the impulse to murder TP players. It feels more akin to a VNTL than scum hunting. I'm not opposed to it either, but with 48 hours remaining, there's no need to rush it (I'd prefer one less vote held on him, since if we pull attention to scum, they can lynch him to buy time).

Second, with only one NK, it's pretty safe to say he's not secretly Area trying to murder us (haven't read the books, but I watched season 1 of the show).

There are a bunch of oddities in your responses.

You rushed into the DP sussing BK most, who a) wasn’t on the lynch and b) had already claimed. I don’t understand that impetus to get a VTL up early with no justification just so that you can leave off for a while afterward. Strange, but not something I’d flag as scummy by itself.

Then there’s the push to get the cop claim out as soon as possible. You don’t really justify this - you just say that you “needed to get your results out before the DP”… why? There wasn’t attention on me at all by that point and there wasn’t a lot of sussing of me at the end of DP1. I can buy that you targeted me (even if your reason for not targeting BK sounds like weak WIFOM), but I can’t understand why you felt the need to out yourself so early.

And then there’s the way you claimed. You didn’t just say you were the Cop, you said you were the 1X Cop, an anti-town move that was in no way demanded by your choice to claim. You justify it by claiming that it loosely fits your justification (weak reason that sounds like reverse justification for a fake claim), and concerns about having to justify a lack of results if you survive, as though that’s particularly difficult to do. You also said that this was a softclaim: "if he says that it is essentially a cop, then he's scum and is lying." Yeah… I don’t see it. That’s a weak softclaim at best and easy to backpedal away from if someone calls you on it.

Also, does anyone else find it weird that Vader gave me a townie pat on the back for coming up with some decent theme analysis only to then pointedly not address it? He’s one of two characters alongside GP of all people that do not line up with the pretty obvious set of characters in this game. It comes off as either a given fake claim or a safe one given some distance from the main cast. It’s also strange that he hasn’t responded to the apparent fact (at least based on all the responses I’ve seen) that he’s the only claimed X-shot in this game.

In any case, since you’re busy, I’m going to leave my thoughts on Vader here. I’m still out and about, and I want to hear from Earth and Austin regarding some soft claims before I tackle my reads.

Austin is moving more into my scum pile. He's blatently not listening to the reasoning behind why people are suspicious of voting BK and suspicion. There are valid reason into supporting him that I cleared out. I won't reiterate them because that's a waste of time at this current point.

Like... I've read this five times and I still don't really understand what you're trying to say here. Are you saying I'm solely sus for not sussing BK? I already clarified that my townread of BK is based on thematic analysis as well as my understanding of his (somewhat erratic) behavior from previous games. That doesn't mean I'm clearing BK, but it means that I'm not going to blindly wagon on a lynch on him.

Tbh I was thinking about claiming a cop as a whole and drawing the NK to me, which hindsight has it would've been the optimal play, but I'd rather be purely honest with the town at this point in the game.

You mentioned that it's better to be honest, but we really lose nothing if you lie for a DP - anyone reasonably experienced mafia player would understand that you were just trying to bait the NK. I know that you're an experienced player, I have a hard time believing that you weren't aware of this.

I think that Austin's whole push on the justification of reeks scummy. Pie really doesn't put much of the detailed enough to ensure it is 100% accurate but enough to not draw suspicion (like most mods), so I think it comes off as looking for a mislynch

I asked Wylted for his justification. Once he gave it (after deliberately being obtuse), I mentioned that it was thematically a little bit odd but plausible, and moved on. I have not been and am not looking for a Wylted lynch, especially as his role is semi-confirmable.

I also don't understand the basis for sussing Austin at this point. I'll admit, I had my concerns about him back in DP1, but I've only seen reasons to townread him in this DP. He's not a hard townread for me yet, but since I'm probably the most townread person still in this game, I might as well make one of my reads blatant: I read BK as town. I read him as town back in the last DP, too. It's not a completely solid townread, but he's as strong or stronger of a townread than anyone else currently in this game for me.