I noticed how Vader claimed 1xCop. I only skimmed the day yet, but I haven't seen Vader respond why he outted himself like that.
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@Earth
Are we going to lynch Grey today or will town bark up the wrong tree again? Immensely frustrated with the JoeBob lynch.
Not like I'm going to defend myself for pursuing the lynch, but as someone who was entirely absent from the DP for almost 9 hours, including during that more pivotal time, I can't say I understand your frustrations as well as I do others who were active.
I do hope you'll be more active and have more to say this DP. Telling us we should just lynch the claimed third party and that it's odd Vader outed himself isn't much given how much has been posted so far.
VTL Grey
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@whiteflame
I'm not going to hover over this site when I'm supposed to be sleeping. For what's it's worth, I feel like this is townie behavior from you from my own experience. I do wish Vader explained a bit more but it is what it is.
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@whiteflame
To help with your analysis, I'm Harry Potter ⚡;)
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@Earth
I'm not expecting you to defend yourself, though I do think you should be providing reads at this point, and not just for me with little asides of confusion over Vader. Do you think GP is actually scum masquerading as a third party? Who else do you suspect?
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@Barney
I see. I didn't ship you into this universe, but I think I get what you're putting down.
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@whiteflame
While I disagree with some aspects of how you characterized the basis my participation in the lynch, I nonetheless concede (as I have already) that I made an error in judgement and pushed the lynch too hastily. That being said, given that we had at least one known town on that lynch (Luna) who was actively aiming for it, and given that I was on it, heavily pushing for it at the time, and have been "copped innocent," (still not sure I believe that) it's hard for me to scumread it. Maybe that's just because I was a participant, but especially given how close we were to the end of the DP and the rush of posts that were occurring at the time, I can at least understand how WyIted as town could have decided to hammer. I wish I'd made a better decision, but I felt rushed due to a lack of time and didn't have the time to have a substantial back-and-forth over it.
I'm not trying to mischaracterize things or anything. However, it genuinely looks like several people - some of whom ignored their previous behavioral reads - simply hopped on the wagon for reasons I still can't really fathom. If you believe Joebob somehow scumslipped post role-claim, then I'd like to hear it. Otherwise, it seems that we lynched an innocent dude because his role wasn't worded exactly like a random site's similar role.
Anyway, that's all I'm going to say about it - but it definitely should be a factor in everyone's behavioral reads on the participants on that flash wagon.
Official Vote Count:
Best Korea (1/5) - Vader
Greyparrot (1/5) - Earth
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@whiteflame
Regarding your thematic analysis, it looks solid. I would personally consider Nico more of a side character. Octavian and Rachel do stick out, but Rachel moreso I think.
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@AustinL0926
it definitely should be a factor in everyone's behavioral reads on the participants on that flash wagon.
On that front, we agree. I've already explained what went into my decision, and it wasn't solely his claim, but also in how he claimed and then proceeded to modify his claim, as I've already stated. I do think it's worth considering what reasoning went into the lynch from each person who was on it, myself included.
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@AustinL0926
Regarding your thematic analysis, it looks solid. I would personally consider Nico more of a side character. Octavian and Rachel do stick out, but Rachel moreso I think.
Honestly, gratifying to know that. I never feel too secure in games where I'm doing thematic analysis on the fly because I just don't have the experience with it. I based this on a couple of pages I read through detailing many of the characters.
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@Earth
@Vader
@Best.Korea
Anyway, I'm off for the night, so I'm going to leave off with some things I'd like to see from certain players when they return.
Vader, there's a lot of reasoning on the table for sussing your claim and your choice to make it in the first place. You said you'd be busy today, but I hope tomorrow you'll be more involved and explain yourself.
Earth, you really need to be more involved in this DP. You should be posting a full set of reads. You have both this and the previous DP to work from, and so far, all I've seen is the same basic perspective that we should lynch GP and some uncertainties regarding Vader. You should have thoughts about other players by now. Post them.
BK, you should also be posting your reads at this point. You've said you don't want to lynch a claimed cop. Fine. There's new information on the table about WyIted that you haven't addressed. There are many other players still in this game. What's your preferred lynch and why? I don't care whether your town or scum, you should be doing more than just being frustrated that you weren't copped innocent and making nihilistic posts about how you're fucked and town is screwed. That's bullshit, it's a waste of time, and it's anti-town. That being said, it doesn't make you scum. So, participate.
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@whiteflame
Apologies. I just saw the DP was up and rushed to push who my top claim was totally forgetting that he claimed.
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@whiteflame
As I pointed out, I was 100% in a rush and needed to get my results out before the DP and wanted to make it apparently clear that who my top read was for scum
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@whiteflame
Harder for me to call that since Vader openly sussed me several times during the last DP. Admittedly, he sussed me for being against the lynch, and then apparently sussed me again because I was on the lynch, so I do want a better explanation for why he targeted me than “he had some scum moments and town moments.”
Inherently incorrect. I drew suspicion off you because you had been consistent with your reasoning despite disagreeing and I was more inclined to lean town. I reread you as suspicious when you casually flipped onto JoeBob on a very quick and brink instinct. I was very torn between to me that's a scum and town tell so I had to investigate to ensure
I also said I softlclaimed in DP1 because as I stated, "if he says that it is essentially a cop, then he's scum and is lying."
I chose you because I was less certain about your affiliation and I assumed in a game of role madness where BK was being targeted, I thought someone would have important results
I also said I softlclaimed in DP1 because as I stated, "if he says that it is essentially a cop, then he's scum and is lying."
I chose you because I was less certain about your affiliation and I assumed in a game of role madness where BK was being targeted, I thought someone would have important results
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@WyIted
I claimed because it's a 1x role and information is information at the end of the day. It's a 5v2v1 and one mislynch from town will likely cause us to lose at this point because either Grey wins and we come 2nd or scum win.
Vader, there's a lot of reasoning on the table for sussing your claim and your choice to make it in the first place. You said you'd be busy today, but I hope tomorrow you'll be more involved and explain yourself.
I blatantly rushed the justification. I tried to chatGPT the full one and Pie said no so I'll give a better and somewhat more comprehensive
That was the justification. Took some words out and cut out a quote that was in the beginning and all that
Really don't know why I wasn't just a full cop but I guess maybe my character was useless? No clue. Gonna read up a bit on the DP and come to some reads. This was just commenting on some observations and some replies I got.
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@whiteflame
Above post
I'll be really busy all day tomorrow at a chess tournament, so I'll only be able to check in every few hours or so. I'll reread it carefully after
Hmm. You know I feel a little odd about that. I think the only faction that benefits from telling everyone you are one shot is mafia.
Off what I see from Page 1 I don't think whiteflame's role was pandered by anyway. When he makes a mistake (or directly) forces one as scum, he normally would say "aww shucks it sucks that X was lynch but ...." Here he seems relatively remorseful (not the best of words but whatever) that he jumped on a lynch at the last second. This behavior tell + his innocent read leads to me have him at the top of my town pile at this current moment.
Austin is moving more into my scum pile. He's blatently not listening to the reasoning behind why people are suspicious of voting BK and suspicion. There are valid reason into supporting him that I cleared out. I won't reiterate them because that's a waste of time at this current point. He just seems too dismisal and gun-hoe. Please also correct me if I'm wrong, but Lunatic also had a scum read on Austin when he was flying under the radar for the DP.
Barney bandwagoning on my claims and wanting a claim out of BK (when I was 100% in the wrong) feels like something a town Barney would do. Trust the result and go with it. I sort of town read him for that
Page 1 thoughts
Austin is moving more into my scum pile. He's blatently not listening to the reasoning behind why people are suspicious of voting BK and suspicion. There are valid reason into supporting him that I cleared out. I won't reiterate them because that's a waste of time at this current point. He just seems too dismisal and gun-hoe. Please also correct me if I'm wrong, but Lunatic also had a scum read on Austin when he was flying under the radar for the DP.
Barney bandwagoning on my claims and wanting a claim out of BK (when I was 100% in the wrong) feels like something a town Barney would do. Trust the result and go with it. I sort of town read him for that
Page 1 thoughts
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@Earth
Tbh I was thinking about claiming a cop as a whole and drawing the NK to me, which hindsight has it would've been the optimal play, but I'd rather be purely honest with the town at this point in the game. Plus my justification almost makes it seems like my character is only well noted for that first thing they and nothing really else, so I thought that could draw a mislynch over something as subliminal. Plus if I was left alive for some reason in the NP, I'd have to come out and say "so I lied about this."
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@Earth
draw a NK on me that was useless*
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@AustinL0926
Page 2 thoughts
Barney's justification and everything aligns with what I've seen so far from PM's, etc. Therefore it's pushing me into his townpile.
I think Austin might have some decent reasoning with Wylted's suspicion with him jumping on the wagon. I think it paints Wylted in a more scum light but I also am not trust Austin enough in this game to see his logic with any validity and with Wylted's claim, I haven't seen the theme analytics on pg 3 to see what the experts say, but I don't think it's a CC per say but I can see the logic behind it
Barney's justification and everything aligns with what I've seen so far from PM's, etc. Therefore it's pushing me into his townpile.
I think Austin might have some decent reasoning with Wylted's suspicion with him jumping on the wagon. I think it paints Wylted in a more scum light but I also am not trust Austin enough in this game to see his logic with any validity and with Wylted's claim, I haven't seen the theme analytics on pg 3 to see what the experts say, but I don't think it's a CC per say but I can see the logic behind it
Also to add Wylted not doing any crazy antics makes me read him more town vs scum
Page 3 summary
I think that Austin's whole push on the justification of reeks scummy. Pie really doesn't put much of the detailed enough to ensure it is 100% accurate but enough to not draw suspicion (like most mods), so I think it comes off as looking for a mislynch
Whiteflame theme analyzing at this point of the game makes me more confident in my town result of him and behaviorally as i stated in the page 1 summary, it very town
Earth pushing for the safe lynch of Grey, which seems town for Earth but also, I really don't know Earth's scum play enough
This is the important info from what I got
I think that Austin's whole push on the justification of reeks scummy. Pie really doesn't put much of the detailed enough to ensure it is 100% accurate but enough to not draw suspicion (like most mods), so I think it comes off as looking for a mislynch
Whiteflame theme analyzing at this point of the game makes me more confident in my town result of him and behaviorally as i stated in the page 1 summary, it very town
Earth pushing for the safe lynch of Grey, which seems town for Earth but also, I really don't know Earth's scum play enough
This is the important info from what I got
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@Earth
@Barney
@whiteflame
This is my final justification for why I chose Whiteflame
As I stated, I thought his hard aggression of Grey throughout the start was a FoS from whiteflame this entire time because of how he was going at Greyparrot. However, his analysis was consistent which aligned with his town behavior, so I had a null read on him. So I had some scum tells in his behavior and some town tells in his behavior that I ended up leaning more toward the town tells and wasn't going to target. However, his abrupt switch on JoeBob felt to me that he was looking to try to push a mislynch out, as this is inherently anti-town. Granted I didn't have time to comment because his fos on JoeBob came out of nowhere before the hammer came in. The choice of whiteflame came down to BK and whiteflame. I was actively sus of BK at the time and it felt like a majority of town were as well. If anything, I felt like if mafia were to use a lawyer/framer, they would've used it on the top prospect at that current point of time to make him innocent, etc. Whiteflame was one that scum might have overlook or if whiteflame was scum, he wouldn't have predicted that I would make the move that I did. With the conflicting behavior tells of whiteflame as well, I wanted a clear picture into DP2 on what the result said he was
As I stated, I thought his hard aggression of Grey throughout the start was a FoS from whiteflame this entire time because of how he was going at Greyparrot. However, his analysis was consistent which aligned with his town behavior, so I had a null read on him. So I had some scum tells in his behavior and some town tells in his behavior that I ended up leaning more toward the town tells and wasn't going to target. However, his abrupt switch on JoeBob felt to me that he was looking to try to push a mislynch out, as this is inherently anti-town. Granted I didn't have time to comment because his fos on JoeBob came out of nowhere before the hammer came in. The choice of whiteflame came down to BK and whiteflame. I was actively sus of BK at the time and it felt like a majority of town were as well. If anything, I felt like if mafia were to use a lawyer/framer, they would've used it on the top prospect at that current point of time to make him innocent, etc. Whiteflame was one that scum might have overlook or if whiteflame was scum, he wouldn't have predicted that I would make the move that I did. With the conflicting behavior tells of whiteflame as well, I wanted a clear picture into DP2 on what the result said he was
I'm posting my final reads for the night. I won't be active tomorrow because my mom is still in town and we have a ton of activities we will be doing. I might have time in the middle to skim, but I doubt
Town Read
Town Read
whiteflame
Lean Town
Barney
Wylted (null leaning)
Null
Earth
Grey (scum in sense he's not town but null as in he's not mafia)
Slight Scum
Austin
Lean Scum
BK
My top 3 lynch choices are
Grey is my optimal lynch still with logistics
Lean Town
Barney
Wylted (null leaning)
Null
Earth
Grey (scum in sense he's not town but null as in he's not mafia)
Slight Scum
Austin
Lean Scum
BK
My top 3 lynch choices are
Grey is my optimal lynch still with logistics
BK and Austin are solid options as well
Finally I'm gonna unvote
since he technically did full claim last dp, which again apologies for I just was in a rush and misread
Removing the vote too in case of mafia forcing a vote and I can't get on to remove the vote