The Heroes of Olympus Mafia DP2

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@AustinL0926
I know I'm fixating on this a lot, but I'm genuinely shocked how fast the wagon ran away without a single town member trying to slow it down - to me, it seems that the wagon must've been "encouraged" by at least one scum member
I dont believe in no lynches personally and  do think you would have been okay with a no lynch last dp
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Justification? That really doesn't make sense with what I know of Reyna's character...

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Justification? That really doesn't make sense with what I know of Reyna's character...
I dont give a shit. Is there any reason why you were trying so hard to figure out my role and then I recieved a visit? 
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I left breadcrumbs. Plenty of them and with the invention of chat GPT asking for justification no longer makes sense. 
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Not really in the mood for this rn. For what it's worth, GPT gave me nada.
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I will ask chat GPT and see what happens.
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I didn't want to go here yet but I did want to insult Austin once again for being anti town by speculating on roles and ignoring behavioral analysis. 
And how well has ignoring mechanics worked for you in the past few games?

I dont believe in no lynches personally and  do think you would have been okay with a no lynch last dp
I feel like you're purposefully being misleading here. I never advocated for a no lynch. I simply thought it was silly and anti-town for you to hammer someone who had a potentially semi-confirmable role with hours left in the DP as well as an alternative guaranteed lynch on GP
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For Reyna Ramirez-Arellano, you could justify the Dreamer role in the context of her character by emphasizing her prophetic abilities or her connection to dreams in mythology. In Rick Riordan's *Heroes of Olympus* series, Reyna's character possesses a deep understanding of her heritage as a daughter of Bellona and has a unique insight into the future through her dreams. Therefore, in the mafia game, the Dreamer role could reflect Reyna's ability to foresee events or uncover hidden information through her dreams, making her a valuable asset to the town faction.
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That is not my justification BTW
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Like I said from the viewpoint of a dreamer it seems like a CC. If there is also a cop in the game even 1x I am questioning pies judgement 
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GPT gave me a similar thing, but I'm pretty sure it's just a hallucination. She doesn't have prophetic abilities, and as far as I remember, never receives a dream like the other demigods do.
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Ok I know you're being Wylted, but basically, I just want to know your justification so that I can determine whether it's really a convincing CC
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It won't help. You need to lean heavy on behavior and .aybe figure out if the role makes sense given my behavior etc
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Okay fine. Something about 2 lovers and not knowing which one she will be with or whatever
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Something about 2 lovers and not knowing which one she will be with or whatever
Damn, I thought these were kids books... ;)

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Oh not lovers crushes and one is an enemy . I dream of 3 people not 2 but I think pie was just trying to make it work because I told him my favorite role was dreamer. He likely shoehorned the role into the game for my benefit
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Might be an enemy not definite 
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So far you haven't missed much.

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PLAYER               ROLE                  CHAR                                  NP1
1. Barney           ???
3. Austin              ???
4. Whiteflame   ???
5. Best Korea     Millionaire     Hazel Levesque
7. Earth                 ???
9. Wylted              Dreamer     Reyna Ramirez-Arellano     fail
10. Vader              1x Cop         Rachel Elizabeth Dare.        wf(innocent)
TP. Greyparrot    Prophet      Octavian

Graveyard
JoeBob                 Emissary         Nico
Lunatic                  Loved               Piper McLean
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I'm catching up.
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@WyIted
Okay fine. Something about 2 lovers and not knowing which one she will be with or whatever
That's a serious stretch, but I can imagine it working. Sort of.
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@Barney
Damn, I thought these were kids books... ;)
Ngl they should really be considered young adult, especially the later ones. I remember when I brought one of the books to school in 1st grade the teacher called my parents and sent me home for the day.
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@WyIted
Did you ask Pie if GP counts as scum, btw?
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While I disagree with some aspects of how you characterized the basis my participation in the lynch, I nonetheless concede (as I have already) that I made an error in judgement and pushed the lynch too hastily. That being said, given that we had at least one known town on that lynch (Luna) who was actively aiming for it, and given that I was on it, heavily pushing for it at the time, and have been "copped innocent," (still not sure I believe that) it's hard for me to scumread it. Maybe that's just because I was a participant, but especially given how close we were to the end of the DP and the rush of posts that were occurring at the time, I can at least understand how WyIted as town could have decided to hammer. I wish I'd made a better decision, but I felt rushed due to a lack of time and didn't have the time to have a substantial back-and-forth over it. 

To be clear, I'm not dismissing the possibility that WyIted is scum. This just isn't something I'd use as a substantial element in a decision to lynch him.
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@WyIted
As for WyIted's claim, that's interesting. I do have a very hard time believing that there is an Emissary, a 1X Cop and a Dreamer in this game. Out of curiosity, do you have a specific number of shots with Dreamer? I don't need or want a number.
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No it's unlimited. 
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If Vader is town he is likely withholding some information
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That's interesting. Given the Emissary and your role are both potentially every night opportunities, and given that the claimed Prophet and Millionaire don't have shots, currently Vader is the only claimed X-shot role.
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So, I do want to start into theme analysis, even though I recognize there may not be enough to inform a decision this DP. Here are the current known claims/flips for characters:

BK: Hazel Levesque
WyIted: Reyna Ramirez-Arellano
Vader: Rachel Elizabeth Dare
GP: Octavian

JoeBob: Nico di Angelo
Lunatic: Piper McLean

Notable trends - Both Nico and Piper are listed among main characters for the series. Piper is a member of the seven heroes. Nico has been instrumental in assisting the seven heroes. While it is possible that some among the other 8 characters in this game are not main characters (and it might have helped Pie to do so), I think we can assume that the majority of other characters in this game fall into one of these two camps.

So, how well do they fit? Hazel is one of the seven heroes. Reyna is one of the main characters that falls outside the seven and is key to helping them. So they both fit what we see as a developing theme for these characters. I'll say this much: so does my character.

Octavian and Rachel do not. They're both in a long list of supporting characters. Know who makes the list of main characters (not to mention one of those seven heroes)? Frank Zhang, GP's supposed fake claim.

So, at the least at the moment, I see more reason to sus Vader and GP based on role alone. It's not a strong sus because it does seem plausible that minor characters would be in this game and the game was initially designed for 12 players, meaning that there must necessarily be more than the 10 main characters listed in his initial design. That being said, they're outliers, and it's the reason that the fake Frank Zhang claim stood out so much to me in DP1. Among the remaining characters I suspect are in this game based on what we know (or were at least planned to be before the number of players were reduced) are: 

Jason Grace (one of the seven)
Leo Valdez (one of the seven)
Percy Jackson (one of the seven)
Annabeth Chase (one of the seven)
Gleeson Hedge (main character and mentor to the seven)
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Just putting a note here. Despite all the pings he's received, Earth has not posted in this DP and he was online 13 minutes ago at the time of this post.
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Are we going to lynch Grey today or will town bark up the wrong tree again? Immensely frustrated with the JoeBob lynch.