Battlebots Mafia DP1

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@RationalMadman
I think we are voting off an important non-investigative. Town PR.
Well, I kinda agree.

I still wanna lynch 7000 tho.

Even if he is an important role, we will never know because he will never claim, not now, not in dp2.

He has done everything he can to get himself lynched, and due to his voting way, if he goes to dp2, even as town, he will be harming town.

Plus, if we lynch him, we confirm WyIted as either town or scum, which gives us info for dp2 decisions.
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@RationalMadman
499 made sense to me (and still makes sense, barring any evidence that you have refused to provide). Whiteflame's 458 is also another argument that led me to this conclusion.
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@JoeBob
Okay.

I bet you're the other faction then, not same as Wylted, I respect you for being reasonable to a fucked town.
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@ijb1
In 499 does he explain why he scumreads 7k over Wylted?

Paste it, elaborate.
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@Best.Korea
BK it's your choice.

If you're town and truly read me as real cop and a skilled player, sheep me on Wylted.

If not stick to the 'punish the troll' mantra.
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@RationalMadman
I also forgot to mention 491. Here is 491 and 499:
Supa has had plenty of time to post, and joebob still has time to post thoughts, willing to unvote if anything new comes up.

Where it stands 7k is the best option here. If he is town I am at least hoping there was some logic to this play maybe we can read into. If there is no logic for his actions and he's just trolling I say we just black list him from mafia in future games. I at least won't play with a player who literally plays just to take up a slot and sh1tpost with no intention of playing to his wincon.

I am slightly scum reading RM for his behavior (specifically how ******ed defensive he got against 7k in the beginning and his omgus towards wylted). I think scum are trying to distance themselves from each other here. RM and wylted could both very well be scum in this situation despite my current town leaning on wylted. They could be using this CC situation to make it seem like they are not on the same team, and lets be real, RM has been hard on wylted all day even prior to the claim situation. Also claiming that there is "Art" to what he is doing. I fail to see the art in his playstyle if he is town, but I can definitely see it if he is scum and trying to make it seem that he and wylted are on different teams if they are in fact in the same mafia group. The whole "art" post to me definitely seems to be bragging about something and I just don't see anything pro town his "art" has contributed to. 

As it stands I don't buy wylted's claim, but I also think I know what he is doing if he is town so I'll let it play out in future day phases and see if his play is consistent with the strategy I think he is using. 
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7k has  had plenty of opportunity to change or sway our minds and blatantly refused to do so. If your gonna act like a terrorist, time to get treated like one. He's holding his claim hostage, and hasn't let on any reason for us to believe he's doing it for a townie reason. The second he claimed inside knowledge about who scum is he should have been doing this. Also the post deletion kind of seals the deal for me. There is never any pro town reason to delete a post in mafia.
In 499, he notes a couple key things
  • 7k is silent and refuses to answer much. Wylted seems to have answered more stuff based on the summaries I was provided
  • 7k does not appear to be town
  • 7k claimed insider knowledge and deleted his post.
    • "There is never any pro town reason to delete a post in mafia." Maybe I'm gullible but this makes sense. But I am curious, is lunatic experienced enough for this?
In 491 he notes:
  • 7k seems to be possibly trolling
  • RM (You) are suspicious in some ways. I don't necessarily agree with this, but honestly it has partially swayed me against 7k. 
    • Notes evidence on how you hyperfixate on Wylted\
  • The last sentence is very similar to my thoughts; he's possibly doing some meta play that's going over my head
    • "As it stands I don't buy wylted's claim, but I also think I know what he is doing if he is town so I'll let it play out in future day phases and see if his play is consistent with the strategy I think he is using."

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@ijb1
I have to hyperfixate Wylted.

Lunatic also scumreads Wylted.

He is only punishing 7kseries for trolling. This honestly reads like a partner of Wylted who didn't want to originally hammer 7kseries so hew asnt suspected later going "oh shit gotta make stuff up so RM doesn't succeed carrying town against my partner"
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@ijb1
Why did Wylted investigate 7kseries over much harder to read players?
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@ijb1
Wylted is mafia and picked the easiest victim to fake guilty on.

He wanted this to run smoothly. He hoped he picked the real cop or investigator too maybe.
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@RationalMadman
I agree that cop is more common role than day cop.

I agree that in terms of role, you are the closest to town, and in many situations I would blindly follow your reads because reads of confirmed town players take priority over reads of anyone else.

However, here, I have likely town vs more likely town going at each other.

I am willing to let WyIted confirm himself.

I understand why you want a vote on WyIted.

Because if WyIted confirms himself, you think you get lynched in dp2 because he will lead a lynch on you.

A strange situation, but I will not be voting against you in dp2 even if it happens.
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@ijb1
A troll would delete their posts just to wind people up. There is plenty of reason to do that if town as a pure troll willing to throw the game.
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@Best.Korea
BK I don't think that anymore.

Based on certain items factors from other players I genuinely think 7k is a strong Town PR. One we will regret losing.

He was waiting to rub it in our faces if we hammered but felt bad because I didn't and wanted to reward me for that.

I genuinely think this.
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7000series (4/6): whiteflame, Wylted, ijb1, Lunatic
Wylted (2/6): 7000series, RationalMadman


An oldie but a goodie.


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@Best.Korea
This ain't scum Vs scum based on my analysis since then and how 7k acted.
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I am ok with a 7k lynch
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@Greyparrot
Why?
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So in short I was pretty confident TM was scum and was testing my theory that 7k was scum bussing scum since he immediately came on and went after RM. 
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@whiteflame
There is no way you genuinely as Town stand by voting a troll over a proper scumread.

Are you telling me you're the same as Lunatic is claiming to be? A troll punishing kamikaze?
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@WyIted
What fucking good does that do you?

Why were you confident Iw as scum so much so you thought let's investigate the worst player here over someone like whiteflame?

Fuck you and your strategy.

You got destroyed because I was the real investigative PR. That was the single worst outcome for you as well as how hard I've tried since.
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@WyIted
You went for the easiest prey, the rest is bs.
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You are telling me to investigate whiteflame when my theory was a RM 7k scum team. Okay cool
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@RationalMadman
Lunatic also scumreads Wylted.
this is currently false but I do see situations in which he can be if my theory of you two distancing from each other is correct
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@WyIted
You use 1x daycop on the hardest player you find, to read or the one you need the most.

You wanted to rush the DP along and kill off an easy target.
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@7000series
Claim your role, please, if you care for town.
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@Lunatic
it's not false, you said it more than once that his claims seems.bs to you and you read me as the real cop. Then suddenly you scumread us both.

Now suddenly you deny scumreading him.
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@7000series
You want to lynch WyIted?

Here is your chance.

Claim your role, and if its really strong role, then WyIted's claim is discredited.
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@Best.Korea
He has to character claim too
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Of he fake claims a strong role it discredits me how?
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@RationalMadman
I have now at several points in this DP detailed my reasoning regarding my scumread on 7k. I've pointed to the ways he has (and hasn't) responded to us as one element of that, notably not the major one.

I've pointed out that he posted twice directly in response to me asking him questions regarding his behavior and then deleted those posts before I could read them. Maybe that's troll behavior, but it comes off as clearly scummy to me and something he has never done in previous games where his troll behavior was on full display as town. 

I've also pointed to this specific post several times that includes information he would have no way of knowing as town. If that's him just trolling, it's oddly specific and includes information he would have no way of knowing at that point unless he was on a scum team. It's an early scum slip that he has completely refused to explain.

You ask me how I'm selecting him over a scum read. It's because 7k is also a scum read, and a more solid one for me. WyIted might be trying to cover for a role he can use to confirm himself during the NP. If he doesn't and continues to assert that he's a 1x Day Cop, particularly if 7k flips town, he's an easy lynch for me during the next DP.
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@whiteflame
The faction comment is 10000% him trolling.

Don't you get it?

He votebombed me Vs mharman in an electronic song debate, he makes troll topics all the time.

This guy fundamentally gets giggles from doing silly stuff. He honestly finds it fun that we're all agitated rn.