Instigator / Con

Hurried4675

1511

rating

debates

56.25%

won

Topic

#5980

God & Omnipotence

Status

Debating

Waiting for the next argument from the contender.

Round will be automatically forfeited in:

Tags

God

Philosophy

faith

Parameters

Publication date: 02.26.2025 06:15AM
Last updated date: 04.18.2025 07:52AM
Type: Standard
Number of rounds: 5
Time for argument: Two weeks
Max argument characters: 10,000
Voting period: Six months
Point system: Multiple criterions
Voting system: Open

Contender / Pro

YOIAKUMA

1500

rating

debates

0.0%

won

Description

PRO CLAIMS:
Every god is a god with omnipotence or some god is a god with omnipotence. (logical disjunction)

CON CLAIMS:
No god is a god with omnipotence.

STIPULATIONS:
1. All "omnipotence" is unlimited power.
2. All "power" is the ability to do or undergo something. (logical disjunction)
3. All unrestricted things are "unlimited."
4. Every "god" refers to only one god.
5. The debate is not in reference to a "maximally" omnipotent god.

DOMAIN OF DISCOURSE:
Domain of discourse is reality with one god.

* In the opening statements, CON utilizes the geometrical style to demonstrate a claim while closely implementing formal logic. The history of debates that CON has will show examples of the geometrical style.

Round 1

Hurried4675

03.01.2025 12:25AM

Con

1 Definitions

1. All omnipotence is unlimited power.

2. All power is the ability to do or undergo something.

Explanation. The above definition is a logical disjunction.

3. Every unrestricted thing is unlimited.

2 Axioms

1. If every god is a god that can be restricted, then no god is a god with omnipotence.

2. If every god is a god with unrestricted ability to do or undergo something, then

every god is a god with unrestricted ability to undergo limited power.

3. If every god is a god with unrestricted ability to undergo limited power, then every

god is a god that can be restricted.

3 Propositions

Proposition 1. IF EVERY GOD IS A GOD WITH OMNIPOTENCE, THEN EVERY GOD IS A GOD WITH UNRESTRICTED POWER.

Proof. If every god is a god with omnipotence, then every god is a god with unlimited power [Def. 1]. If every god is a god with unlimited power, then every god is a god with unrestricted power [Def. 3].

Proposition 2. IF EVERY GOD IS A GOD WITH OMNIPOTENCE, THEN EVERY GOD IS A GOD WITH UNRESTRICTED ABILITY TO DO OR UNDERGO SOMETHING.

Proof. If every god is a god with omnipotence, then every god is a god with unrestricted power [1]. If every god is a god with unrestricted power, then every god is a god with unrestricted ability to do or undergo something [Def. 2].

Proposition 3. IF EVERY GOD IS A GOD WITH OMNIPOTENCE, THEN EVERY GOD IS A GOD WITH UNRESTRICTED ABILITY TO UNDERGO LIMITED POWER.

Proof. If every god is a god with omnipotence, then every god is a god with unrestricted ability to do or undergo something [2]. If every god is a god with unrestricted ability to do or undergo something, then every god is a god with unrestricted ability to undergo limited power [Axiom 2].

Proposition 4. IF EVERY GOD IS A GOD WITH OMNIPOTENCE, THEN EVERY GOD IS A GOD THAT CAN BE RESTRICTED.

Proof. If every god is a god with omnipotence, then every god is a god with unrestricted ability to undergo limited power [3]. If every god is a god with unrestricted ability to undergo limited power, then every god is a god that can be restricted [Axiom 3].

Proposition 5. IF EVERY GOD IS A GOD WITH OMNIPOTENCE, THEN NO GOD IS A GOD WITH OMNIPOTENCE.

Proof. If every god is a god with omnipotence, then every god is a god that can be restricted [4]. If every god is a god that can be restricted, then no god is a god with omnipotence [Axiom 1].

Proposition 6. NO GOD IS A GOD WITH OMNIPOTENCE.

Proof. If every god is a god with omnipotence, then no god is a god with omnipotence.

Remark. Either A or -A are correct. If A leads to -A, then -A must be via proof by contradiction unless -A also leads to A. Which it does not.

YOIAKUMA

03.15.2025 12:25AM

Pro

Forfeited

Round 2

Hurried4675

03.15.2025 04:12PM

Con

Extend.

YOIAKUMA

03.29.2025 04:12PM

Pro

Forfeited

Round 3

Hurried4675

03.30.2025 04:02AM

Con

Extend.

YOIAKUMA

04.01.2025 04:47AM

Pro

nature and existence in itself is referred as god and because it carries infinite possibilities it is a god with omnipotence.

Round 4

Hurried4675

04.01.2025 06:02AM

Con

That is not at all a rebuttal to my previous argument. (Extend.)
How does existence itself have "infinite possibilities"?

YOIAKUMA

04.15.2025 06:02AM

Pro

Forfeited

Round 5

Hurried4675

04.18.2025 07:52AM

Con

1 Argument(s)

CON's key points were all of my axioms, to which CON's opponent dropped all,so extend.

PRO's key point was that god itself is reality and all reality itself has "infinite possibilities." Which is unclear what that statement intends to convey.

2 Conclusion

CON have proven how these axioms interconnect which affirms no god is omnipotent. CON's opponent could not prove some god is omnipotent.

Not published yet

Hurried4675

03.01.2025 12:30AM

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@Mall

Professing my love for you Mall is anything but cowardice!

Mall

02.28.2025 11:50AM

Cowardice and trollish. Two sides of the same coin .

Hurried4675

02.28.2025 12:53AM

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@Mall

Love you <3

Mall

02.27.2025 04:11PM

Cowardice.