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Marry Christmas to all non/believers , is it true that we need a common religion (love for mankind)

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Publication date: 12.27.2024 05:50AM
Last updated date: 02.21.2025 10:50PM
Type: Standard
Number of rounds: 5
Time for argument: One week
Max argument characters: 10,000
Voting period: One month
Point system: Multiple criterions
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Sunshineboy217

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notice : this debate is not to win or lose so , there's no need to any one to vote .
the purpose of this debate to understand the happy and joyful events of religion and their importance ,
is it true this events r not related to religion but to historic life of mankind , so these events r not only for a group but for whole mankind ?
Y these religious events become part of religion ?

is it true that we need a common religion ?
common religion : worship of mankind ( do what is good for mankind ) is a law and everyone have to accept it and practice it

this debate is not just a debate but a discussion of wise ppl who like to share something , that is valuable
, i c there's a war between everything for something
but there's a thing and that is mankind , if we think for it , it benefical for all of us , and we all win together

can we to make a common religion ?

Round 1

AnonYmous_Icon

12.28.2024 05:49AM

Pro

Salutations of All non/believers , those believe in anything and those who don't believe in anything

u can add value to this discussion by represent ur words in comment box , we like to c that .

some of us believe and some of us don't believe in anything but there's something that is common among all of us and that's nature

we c that nature treat us in same way without considering who we r

nature :
nature is the rules and laws , we don't know who make it and we don't know why they're , but the thing is that we just know that they r , we only know that we can use them , for good and for bad .

sometimes we learn them and use them for the mankind and sometime we use them against the mankind

its okay if someone say that :

good and evil is in everyone and in everything

but we can minimize the evil and increase the good

we can utilize the good in replace of evil

we make our believes on the previous stories of nature (miracles ) , and we rejects the nature , the nature what is in front of us , nature of today try to teach us something but we don't like the lessons of nature becoz we consider that what is available is just a normal thing , its not a miracle , its not the art

nature is art , and it teach us something , it teach us a lesson

and that lesson is :

if u fight with humans , u actually destroy ur own self , may be temporarily u think that u win

but what u think is not true , permanently u lose and whole humanity lose , and u r the reason of all bad

but

if u fight for humans , u actually make ur own self , may be temporarily u think that u lose but what u think is not true

permanently u win and whole humanity win , and u r the reason of all good

C if there's everything but we r not , for us everything is useless and unworthy , everything is nothing

but if we r then something is everything and for us everything is useful and worthy , everything is everything becoz of us and for us

who we r :
we r what we think we r , but may be what we think we r , we r not that

maybe we r the sub-gods or maybe we the gods who lose their destination ,

if u consider the things that we know then according to them , we r just a creature with unique abilities and we r just a creature who is created by nature ,

who learn from it and become stronger then other creatures of nature

its seems nature is the GOD and we the special creature of it

nature make us intelligent , give us ability to think and to know and put curiosity in us to know the truth ,

but don't give us the exact address of truth but still teach us how to know and how to find truth

we in the journey and truth is our destination , we r finding the truth , becoz we don't have truth and that's true

so before reach the destination no one say , that i know the truth ,

what i've is truth and what u have is a lie no one say ,

becoz we can't say anything about truth until we (reach the destination and) know the truth , and before that we have to love each other love is the only thing that make us unite in every hard time and from bad things , becoz without love we can't survive anymore in this world of nature , nature replace us with other creature , love is a religion that keep us together to reach the truth

what u think , what is nature and we r

Sunshineboy217

12.29.2024 10:50PM

Con

So, uh, I actually have very little idea of what you meant with that argument. I spent a couple of minutes just reading through different sections and trying to figure out what you said, and this is what I took away from it:

Nature treats us all the same regardless of what we believe in, whether we’re good or evil, or who we are. And this is true. Nature can be cruel or forgiving, regardless of who it faces. But this does absolutely nothing for your argument.

You argued that a common religion is necessary to unite us all in the title. I will say that I don’t agree with that. We can all accept our differences respectfully. But I’m not providing any argument on my part until you actually talk about the subject at hand.

Nature’s indifference to the progress of mankind is, without explanation and without proper grammar, a completely irrelevant statement to this debate.

Round 2

AnonYmous_Icon

12.31.2024 07:17PM

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Respected Sunshineboy217

what u think , what is nature and we r

that's the question what i ask but u forget

in beginning of debate i represent my words about some basic understandings so we can grab the motion easily then i invited u to represent what u think !

Alright , come to next but represent ur ans if u like on previous questions ,

if men don't get what r the words then men have right to ask to get the true essence of words

now i represent ans of that question and u have make it , if u like after my words

Y these religious events become part of religion ?

religious events : here religious events r the events that r celebrated by a specific ethnicity , religious ppl and communities for example Christmas , Shemini Atzeret , Holly , Eid.... , events that specific ppl and communities celebrated and be happy and joy together ...

Ans :

As we know the religion is actually all about relation of men and God , where somethings like what is god , how to find him , how to met him , how to pray to him..... included ,

but then what's about these events , where ppl r actually become socialize and do some activities and make fun together , that's seems different from the rest of purpose of religion

do u think , make fun together is actually order of God , i don't think , ( may be it is )

but after all the purpose of these events where ppl make fun together is actually for ppl to give them comfort and to get relax and to enjoy the life of this world

i don't think ,

may be these events have some historic background , but the thing that i think is that these religious events (events of joy in social ) r not divine and maybe religion itself is not divine , i think religion is man-made stuff and these events r too , so the ppl who belong to that religion feel proud and happiness to be part of that religion .

i don't say that a bad thing , but we can use this tactics to make something that is universal , by which not only a specific community , ethnicity but a whole mankind , ppl from the globe , feel comfort for each other happiness for each and for themselves , feel proud to be humans .....

for example in charismas only Christians celebrate birthday of Jesus Christ only Christians like and love him a lot but the rest of world's humans don't . same thing is happens to others, on holly only hindus celebrate it ..............

what if we celebrate those who r the hero of all humans , or in which we consider all those who do good things for mankind , Albert Einstein , Mahatma Gandhi , Nelson Mandela , Nicola Texsla , buddha ....... (these names or thing r choose after debata /discussion )

or maybe not considering them but still make a event of joy for all humans , where all humans celebrate something together without considering color , race .... (little example of it is new year eve)

what u think

Sunshineboy217

01.07.2025 07:17PM

Con

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Round 3

AnonYmous_Icon

01.14.2025 07:17PM

Pro

Forfeited

Sunshineboy217

01.21.2025 07:17PM

Con

Forfeited

Round 4

AnonYmous_Icon

01.22.2025 02:23PM

Pro

wise ppl like silence but not ignorance

Sunshineboy217

01.22.2025 02:54PM

Con

I apologize for missing so much. Regardless of everything you’ve said, I still really don’t think that there’s any argument around the idea that we don’t need a common religion to unite us. We just need acceptance. As long as we can all accept each other’s differences in world views, then we don’t all need one common world view to unite us. That’s all I have to say about that.

Round 5

AnonYmous_Icon

01.22.2025 03:10PM

Pro

yeah ur words r , respectful Regardless of everything you’ve said

as u say all accept each other’s differences in world views , that exactly the common religion

and that is the thing when we celebrate existence of each other and laugh together without hurt each other accept each other

that's the thing that unite us and make us benefical and loveable of each other

u say exactly what i say , now u have to highlight the flaws in , what we say

Sunshineboy217

01.22.2025 10:50PM

Con

#10

I apologize if I’m mistaken, but it appears that you said that when I said we should accept each other’s differences, you said that that “is common religion.” No, that is not common religion. Christians and Hindus have different world views, for example. But if a Christian and a Hindu can get along and accept each other’s differences, that doesn’t mean that they share a common religion. It just means that they can accept each other’s differences in religion. It really all boils down to that: a common religion isn’t necessary as long as we can all accept each other in our differences in religion and world view.

Sunshineboy217

02.04.2025 12:31AM

Somebody should vote on this.

Sunshineboy217

01.22.2025 10:52PM

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@AnonYmous_Icon

I’m not saying that common religion is impossible. I’m just saying that it isn’t necessary, because this argument is about whether or not we need a common religion for mankind to unite. And if you want to say that, say it in the argument. We don’t need a second debate here in the comments.

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01.22.2025 03:12PM

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@Sunshineboy217

don't say that what i say is impossible

AnonYmous_Icon

12.31.2024 03:02PM

in begging we know something ,
to represent something , I've something to share : https://youtu.be/b2OcKQ_mbiQ?si=33pYvA2DTFuZ0qEm

AnonYmous_Icon

12.31.2024 02:29PM

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@Sunshineboy217

below ur ans in concise

AnonYmous_Icon

12.28.2024 06:06AM

1. universal law/religion : no one king/prophet or ruler but we all should promise and make a rule that we love mankind and never take any action against each other just reveal the thing we know but never impose the thing that we know
2. we all celebrate joy together and don't hurt anyone
we celebrate holly , chrismis , eid , ....... together
3. every individual make relation to god/other in way individual like (all religions, culture , custom is make by us and for us)
4. religion is not the concern of state or institution , religion is for man by the man according to man , in way man like

Answers in concise way and need explanation

Swagnarok

12.27.2024 03:59PM

1. Who decides which religion gets to be in charge?

2. If a newly constructed religion with no ancient roots, why would anyone believe in it? The founder of a modern religion could be more carefully scrutinized for character or competency defects than somebody who lived a thousand years ago. If a government committee, it'd be obvious that they received no miraculous revelation and were just making stuff up.

3. How many wars would you have to start, and how many people would you have to kill to forcibly impose this religion on the globe? If this world religion isn't Islam, what would stop Pakistan from using nukes if their territory was about to be overrun? If not Judaism, what would stop Israel? If not Christianity, what would stop Russia? If not Hinduism, what would stop India?

4. If your answer is "I'd just combine the religions, that way everyone is happy", wouldn't people of all of the above religions consider this weird syncretism a heresy and reject it? Since, you know, that's what they already do in real life when somebody raises such a proposal?

5. Would a world without freedom of religion be one worth living in?

6. Assuming you had a magic raygun that nonviolently brainwashed everyone into believing this religion, what would stop differences in interpretation and preferred style of worship from causing different sects to branch off, resulting in religious division like we see today?

7. Real world religions already have tenets like "be selfless and altruistic", but corrupt abusive leaders exist anyway. That's an inescapable part of large group dynamics. What would keep this new religion from being the same way?

8. Is a world with less diversity of thought, belief, and culture preferable to the world we live in now?

Best.Korea

12.27.2024 09:01AM

All united under one ideal.